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Windows 8's learning curve to be addressed

  1. #71


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot;231556 View Post
    Actually, it's predicted by Moore's law that there will be a CPU that meets the human brain's computational power this century, I think it was roughly around 2040? Think Star Trek Computer...
    A programmable electronic computer due to the speed of the CPU is actually faster than then the human brain so far a calculating is concerned. It has been since inception. The first and foremost reason why the computer was invented in the first place. Alan Turing and his team at Bletchley Park for breaking the code of the German Enigma machine. In the U.S. the ENIAC to calculate artillery firing tables for the United States Army's Ballistic Research Laboratory. These were important machines to actually aid to win the war.

    Computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    - Konrad Zuse's electromechanical “Z machines.” The Z3 (1941) was the first working machine featuring binary arithmetic, including floating point arithmetic and a measure of programmability. In 1998 the Z3 was proved to be Turing complete, therefore being the world's first operational computer.[30]

    - The non-programmable Atanasoff–Berry Computer (commenced in 1937, completed in 1941) which used vacuum tube based computation, binary numbers, and regenerative capacitor memory. The use of regenerative memory allowed it to be much more compact than its peers (being approximately the size of a large desk or workbench), since intermediate results could be stored and then fed back into the same set of computation elements.

    - The secret British Colossus computers (1943),[31] which had limited programmability but demonstrated that a device using thousands of tubes could be reasonably reliable and electronically re-programmable. It was used for breaking German wartime codes.

    - The Harvard Mark I (1944), a large-scale electromechanical computer with limited programmability.[32]

    - The U.S. Army's Ballistic Research Laboratory ENIAC (1946), which used decimal arithmetic and is sometimes called the first general purpose electronic computer (since Konrad Zuse's Z3 of 1941 used electromagnets instead of electronics). Initially, however, ENIAC had an architecture which required rewiring a plugboard to change its programming.
    So far as artifial intelligence is concerned, I don't think it to be possible with just an electronic machine anyway. We're talking more of the CYBORG "being" with both organic and cybernetic parts, which in some respects we already have with some organs, but not a full brain. Cyborg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A full-blown CYBORG may be possible, but many, many years off. Even at that it may not be possible, for it is difficult to replicate just feelings and emotions alone let alone a whole human brain.

    BTW, the great English director of the film The "Stepford Wives", Bryan Forbes, died the other day. One of the first hints of the CYBORG idea.

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  2. #72


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by jaebberwock View Post
    Help files, lol.
    Microsoft is certainly encouraging its use. There is no longer an option to install help files onto your PC. It lives in the cloud. No internet access? Well, you are SOL.

    They also often redirect to their community help site which is downright laughable at times. Sometimes I feel like the low quality answers there just get in my way when I'm googling a problem. A lot of the contributors appear to be based out of India and judging by the answers posted, they don't even read the questions asked. They post some non-related solution and call it a day and I'm just like, wtf?? Why post anything at all? Why raise my hopes and then dash it? Why pollute my search results?

    Ugh, rant over. Help files should definitely not be in "the cloud". Just have the client laptop help file mirror whatever updates they may have, is that so hard?
    Yes, it is that hard because it requires constant updating of the Help files for offline use, only for it to take up space and not ever be used often enough to justify keeping them offline. Having video files offline takes up a bit of space when space is limited on certain tablet PCs.

    But yes, their support forums....ugh.... Wow. Half the time they just post something TOTALLY off topic, a quarter of the time they try to help but doesn't solve the issue, and the other part of the time on rare instance they do solve an question. It would be better if it was redirected to Eight Forums.
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  3. #73


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    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I did find this for Reader: Windows Reader: Frequently asked questions - Microsoft Windows Help Admittedly I found it in an odd place via the Charms Bar, but I found it. It took me all of two minutes.
    Yes but it's out of date because Microsoft have since added an option to right-click and Print from there. Plus it doesn't mention the Ctrl-P shortcut (which I suspect was always there). So it's not great.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    However, WinKey/F1 is the overall Help key when anywhere in 8 which I think is excellent. This is just the same as past OSs.
    Ah I didn't know about WinKey/F1.


    However it's not the same as in past OSs because it's not context-sensitive. Hit F1 in Notepad and it brings you to Help pages about Notepad. Hit WinKey/F1 in a Metro app (or Notepad) and it always seems to take you to the Help front page.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    reading members' posts here it doesn't look as if too many people use the help files anyway.
    Probably because no-one can figure out how to get to them.
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  4. #74


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Our brains alone are far more complex than any computer will probably ever be.
    Seeing the direction society is going, this may be open to debate.

    -jeff
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  5. #75


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jaebberwock View Post
    Help files, lol.
    Microsoft is certainly encouraging its use. There is no longer an option to install help files onto your PC. It lives in the cloud. No internet access? Well, you are SOL.

    They also often redirect to their community help site which is downright laughable at times. Sometimes I feel like the low quality answers there just get in my way when I'm googling a problem. A lot of the contributors appear to be based out of India and judging by the answers posted, they don't even read the questions asked. They post some non-related solution and call it a day and I'm just like, wtf?? Why post anything at all? Why raise my hopes and then dash it? Why pollute my search results?

    Ugh, rant over. Help files should definitely not be in "the cloud". Just have the client laptop help file mirror whatever updates they may have, is that so hard?
    Yes, it is that hard because it requires constant updating of the Help files for offline use, only for it to take up space and not ever be used often enough to justify keeping them offline. Having video files offline takes up a bit of space when space is limited on certain tablet PCs.

    But yes, their support forums....ugh.... Wow. Half the time they just post something TOTALLY off topic, a quarter of the time they try to help but doesn't solve the issue, and the other part of the time on rare instance they do solve an question. It would be better if it was redirected to Eight Forums.
    The thing about help files is that when you need it, you really need it. Sometimes, you can't really plan for it and internet access is not ubiquitous. Sometimes you're in a plane, sometimes you're stuck in a hotel and don't want to pay $10/night for wifi, or you're all tied to a single router in a conference room, sharing one pipe, or some weird messed up configurations when you have to all VPN in as a group.

    Updating text isn't all that memory intensive. HTML text files that are thousands and thousands of pages are only a few megs, not much as far as Windows updates are concerned and storage is cheap. I think it is all part of getting us used to the cloud and tying more services up online. They used to let us install stand alone help files as an option but that isn't even offered.

    Also, sometimes when I work at home, I shut down all my internet because it is just too dang easy to get distracted by kitty pictures and go off on a tangent. Like right now, I should get back to work....

    But yeah, about the support community, I think Microsoft should pay the sevenforums/eightforums guys a retainer. It certainly beats the quality that comes from there.
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  6. #76


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    I shut down all my internet because it is just too dang easy to get distracted by kitty pictures
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  7. #77


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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I did find this for Reader: Windows Reader: Frequently asked questions - Microsoft Windows Help Admittedly I found it in an odd place via the Charms Bar, but I found it. It took me all of two minutes.
    Yes but it's out of date because Microsoft have since added an option to right-click and Print from there. Plus it doesn't mention the Ctrl-P shortcut (which I suspect was always there). So it's not great.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    However, WinKey/F1 is the overall Help key when anywhere in 8 which I think is excellent. This is just the same as past OSs.
    Ah I didn't know about WinKey/F1.


    However it's not the same as in past OSs because it's not context-sensitive. Hit F1 in Notepad and it brings you to Help pages about Notepad. Hit WinKey/F1 in a Metro app (or Notepad) and it always seems to take you to the Help front page.

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    reading members' posts here it doesn't look as if too many people use the help files anyway.
    Probably because no-one can figure out how to get to them.
    And some people say they know how to use Windows 8! Posh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaebberwock View Post
    Help files, lol.
    Microsoft is certainly encouraging its use. There is no longer an option to install help files onto your PC. It lives in the cloud. No internet access? Well, you are SOL.

    They also often redirect to their community help site which is downright laughable at times. Sometimes I feel like the low quality answers there just get in my way when I'm googling a problem. A lot of the contributors appear to be based out of India and judging by the answers posted, they don't even read the questions asked. They post some non-related solution and call it a day and I'm just like, wtf?? Why post anything at all? Why raise my hopes and then dash it? Why pollute my search results?

    Ugh, rant over. Help files should definitely not be in "the cloud". Just have the client laptop help file mirror whatever updates they may have, is that so hard?
    So right about "cloud" based items like "help". There are MANY times when situations arise where your internet access is unavailable due to any number of network issues.

    As for Microsoft "Answers" well there are SOME folks on there that can actually help you solve problems, but not many. I'm pretty sure that the ones that seem to actually listen to the issue and comprehend it are US based former MS employees. You can spot the Indian help by how they post their "solutions" LOL
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  9. #79


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    Windows 8 & Windows 7 Dual Boot


    Windows 8 tips and information app, and similar help apps..

    Though I didnt belive at first that I had any use for this app, I did find a few helpful items which has now made it worth looking at.

    I hear the work intuitive alot in windows 8, but its really not, once you learn the system then it starts making sense or is that just the product of learning??

    Check out the tips and info app, theres allot of basic common sense stuff, but some thing are not and are very helpful..
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    No it's not intuitive. Ergonomics are very poor, too.

    That is the result of MS desperation to shove metro start screen at everyone to sell their services.

    It's not so bad on a tablet, perhaps, but awful on a normal non touch machine.
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