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Windows 8's learning curve to be addressed

  1. #11


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    And I speak with people who are the target demographic of a consumer operating system, and very few actually don't like it. Everyone else is either indifferent to it or they like it better than 7.
    And I've talked with friends and family who were looking at new computers and many said they don't like Windows 8 and wanted my recommendations as to where they could still get Windows 7.

    I have been unable to convince many in my office that after enabling boot to desktop (Start8 or classicShell), and putting a start menu back (start8 or classicshell), that Windows 8 really isn't an issue. Many still don't seem to want it and strongly prefer to stay on 7.

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  2. #12


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    And I speak with people who are the target demographic of a consumer operating system, and very few actually don't like it. Everyone else is either indifferent to it or they like it better than 7.
    And I've talked with friends and family who were looking at new computers and many said they don't like Windows 8 and wanted my recommendations as to where they could still get Windows 7.

    I have been unable to convince many in my office that after enabling boot to desktop (Start8 or classicShell), and putting a start menu back (start8 or classicshell), that Windows 8 really isn't an issue. Many still don't seem to want it and strongly prefer to stay on 7.
    And yet I can still easily convince people to move on from 7 since it's just simple faster and better. Although I will say I've had a few people be resistant to it, but after I configured 8 properly as I normally do, they end up being OK with it. A few other people said they will research it themselves, and come back to me saying, "Isn't Windows 8 for touchscreens only?" And I say, "I've been using Windows 8 since the Developer Preview back in 2011 with my mouse and have a better say of how it works with a mouse than some random author who used it for a less than a month."
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  3. #13


    I could also set it up for them and eventually they would be "ok" with it. It's the fact that they don't even want to try, and are resistant right from the start to says a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I could also set it up for them and eventually they would be "ok" with it. It's the fact that they don't even want to try, and are resistant right from the start to says a lot.
    I guess you can say it does say a lot, because obvious there isn't a lot familiar about it right off the bat. Since there isn't a lot familiar about it, there is hesitation and resistance. That can't be changed other than keeping the SAME thing. But then that goes to a bigger picture of that can't happen for Microsoft anymore.

    Then if you do try it and learn it, that has a tendency of changing.
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    Im finding windows 8 to be awesome..

    I was a hardcore win 2k & win 7 advocate, hated everything inbetween...

    At first i was frustrated and annoyed at 8, until I gave up trying to go to the start button out of muscle memory or reflex!

    (f3) from the desktop will be your new friend, it will direct you to what you want quickly, then youll always know where to find it from then on...

    Mouse: forget using the laptop touchpad. Get an external 5 button mouse! yes 5 button... My preference is the Microsoft Intellimouse optical from waaaay back.. The buttons are exactly where i like them..
    With my thumb I can (go back)
    index finger = left click & scroll + third button
    Middle finger = right click
    and ring finger = forward

    The forward and back buttons are incredible time savers and you dont have to move the mouse to the top of the screen to move through pages..

    The scroll wheel on the mouse lets you scroll left & right which is windows 8 virtual extended desktop in their tiled apps.. And their horizontal scrolling in their apps like news & such..

    I believe another factor why people are getting annoyed with Win 8 is the fact that theyre trying to get something done while also learning the new architecture of the OS, double whammy! Play around with Win8 install apps, see where they go and how they work before trying to juggle work with a new work environment...

    I agree things are hidden in Win 8 and some things are just flat out dumb. But this is their first release, as we complain they will hopefully fix.... Give 8 a decent shot, get the mouse! Im already looking for another one as a backup, i expect to wear this one out in a year or so and it hasnt been made in a decade!

    I was hardcore 7 user, now it sits abandoned as my other boot option....

    David
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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I could also set it up for them and eventually they would be "ok" with it. It's the fact that they don't even want to try, and are resistant right from the start to says a lot.
    I guess you can say it does say a lot, because obvious there isn't a lot familiar about it right off the bat. Since there isn't a lot familiar about it, there is hesitation and resistance. That can't be changed other than keeping the SAME thing. But then that goes to a bigger picture of that can't happen for Microsoft anymore.

    Then if you do try it and learn it, that has a tendency of changing.
    I guess when people see me put back the start button, boot them to desktop, set default apps to not launch metro apps, and more or less remove all significant Windows 8 visual changes they wonder, "what is the point"?

    Had an executive who didn't have a pdf reader installed and was using the built in reader. After about 30 minutes of trying to figure out how to print, he came to me. I showed him devices in the charms bar. He was a bit shocked that this basic function was so unintuitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I could also set it up for them and eventually they would be "ok" with it. It's the fact that they don't even want to try, and are resistant right from the start to says a lot.
    I guess you can say it does say a lot, because obvious there isn't a lot familiar about it right off the bat. Since there isn't a lot familiar about it, there is hesitation and resistance. That can't be changed other than keeping the SAME thing. But then that goes to a bigger picture of that can't happen for Microsoft anymore.

    Then if you do try it and learn it, that has a tendency of changing.
    I guess when people see me put back the start button, boot them to desktop, set default apps to not launch metro apps, and more or less remove all significant Windows 8 visual changes they wonder, "what is the point"?

    Had an executive who didn't have a pdf reader installed and was using the built in reader. After about 30 minutes of trying to figure out how to print, he came to me. I showed him devices in the charms bar. He was a bit shocked that this basic function was so unintuitive.
    What is the point then if it's just Windows 7.1? Which is also exactly the case why Microsoft did what they did. If Windows 8 just that, 7.1, what would even be the point in upgrading? Faster boot times? Windows Defender? Storage Spaces? To the common user, that isn't always a talking point. Something like the People app where it aggregates your twitter and facebook into one consolidated view is one. Having your calendar notifications appear on a live tile, lock screen, and notification toast is one. People do a LOT of interweb eating these days, and Windows 7 does nothing other than promote the double boot: boot once into Windows, boot twice into a web browsers.

    Also, people seem to mistake familiarity with intuitiveness. That's not the case. A very un-intuitive system may seem intuitive to some because of familiarity with something similar. A very intuitive system that is less familiar and can be called "less intuitive," because it differs significantly from the familiar. Basically, how something like Windows 7 operates and is used doesn't apply all the way through with Windows 8. So how an exec you know couldn't figure out how to print in the Reader app because there isn't a File drop down menu, Print... UI design doesn't necessarily mean opening the Charms and hitting Devices to print isn't unintuitive.
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    Cokie
    Since there isn't a lot familiar about it, there is hesitation and resistance
    No.

    It is not just because it is different.

    It is being rejected because it is worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Cokie
    Since there isn't a lot familiar about it, there is hesitation and resistance
    No.

    It is not because it is different.

    It is being rejected because it is worse.
    Yeah. Exactly. Ok.
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  10. #20


    One burning question is "Why should we have to set up Windows 8 for anyone?" Why is the high and mighty Microsoft Corporation not smart enough to set it up like this out of the box? Personally, after about a month and a lot of customizing I like most (but not all) of the changes in 8.
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