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Software subscriptions: progressive or premature?

  1. #31


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    If ya wanna make the answer as simple as that, then Yah, I agree with that assessment. Regressive AND Repressive.

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  2. #32


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Lee, is the Chrome OS to which you refer, related to these new 'Apps" which are installed into my Chrome? I noticed several Apps I use all the time, suddenly being offered to me - Is that because I bought them?

    This is the second time I have heard about Chrome OS - But I have never seen it, can I download it and use it? Ah - Yes, it is a form of Linux. So, it will connect to my Googol account and figure out all of the apps I bought that can run on it? It seems that some of my Apple iOS apps can be also downloaded for free for Droid- I was able to get them using my account in Bluestax. Maybe it was a fluke - Cos I have both AutoDESK and Creative Cloud accounts plus the cloud storage spaces which accompany them.

    I had to download the Chrome OS Installer disk from a file repository, so it is taking a long time. Plus I'm doing it on my new old Inspiron 9100 laptop- (My New Old Laptop which I just got a new battery for for 48 bux flat- It's pretty good, the first time I used it and charged it full, it lasted half an hour then the battery level went to 7%. I'm trying to train it, this time, it lasted since 9:00 this morning and i have been using it all day, it was down to 40% then it dropped suddenly to 7%, so I hope it is just the training, that its not a bad battery, it's huge, 12 cells.) (Sorry for the tangent heh)



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    The only place I have found it is at a computer store down in Sun Vally (laptop). Played with it for about an hour, albeit not all that impressed. For Google it just hasn't taken off yet. . .
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  3. #33


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Nobody has answered the question yet.

    Question :Software subscriptions: progressive or premature?


    Answer: Neither,they are regressive.
    So far I fine premature. But, who's to say one way or another time is the major factor. The "Average User" really doesn't need a high priced subscription to high end software. If you look at this as having to pay for two or more different subscriptions this could be the deciding factor. To me it is easier to upgrade maybe every three to four years, thus giving me a one time payment. Do not really see any reason for updating every couple of months, or even a year or two. But, then that is me there are others who for some reason believe they must get the latest and greatest hits right then and there.

    Why do you see it as "Regressive?"
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  4. #34


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Some chromebooks recently have been on display at my local not so best buy. I toyed around with them, and got upset at how unfamiliar and unintuitive it was that I condemned google forever and understood why no one wants them. But no, actually, there really isn't much there to be had. An android 4 tablet has more features and capabilities than a chomebook. An android 4 based smartphone has more capability and features than a chromebook. That isn't a good thing in my notebook.

    I've seen utilities such as registry and other system cleaners be subscription based. There is a one year, two year, or lifelong subscription (basically buying it). Once that expires, you can choose to buy a new subscription. Honestly, if this subscription "wave" just means it's a different payment form for a service, then this is just meh. Some people can't afford 500 dollars for a new Office Pro Plus suite, but 100 dollars a year is more of an affordable option. That I guess also ties back to anti-piracy measures, because it now can make something that would cost over 1,500 dollars more affordable at 50 a month. I for one, don't have 1,500 dollars lying around to through at Adobe CS 6, but I do have 20 a month to throw at a subscription so I can use it when I use Photoshop from time to time.

    Subscription payments does not equal web based services that are only accessed on a browser.
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  5. #35


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    LOL.

    I think you missed the point.

    Look at this question:

    Shall I beat you now, or shall I beat you later?

    Now look at this :

    Software subscriptions: progressive or premature?

    They are examples of what is commonly called a loaded question.

    They presuppose something. The idea is to restrict replies to those which fit the questioner's agenda.
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  6. #36


    Posts : 5,360
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    It is one of many techniques used to influence opinion. In a lot of cases, it isn't really a question - it is a rhetorical, i.e. a statement.

    You will notice the frequent use of words like "forward" and "progressive" in MS PR. Those words imply "better". Repeat them enough and it influences opinion.

    Another technique is to say a number of things that are true to get people nodding along, then slip in a lie.

    Related technique is to say a lot of things that satisfy your audience existing prejudices, then slip in something you wish them to incorporate into their prejudices. Repeat enough times and there you go.

    You would be surprised how effective it can be.

    Well known bit of research ( Loftus/Palmer ) shows the general principle - it goes roughly like this:

    Subjects watch a video of car crash.

    If you ask how fast the cars were travelling when they smashed into each other - the answer will be much higher than if you asked

    how fast they were travelling when they bumped into each other.

    They were even able to get people to falsely remember bits of wreckage/glass, etc - depending how they phrased the question.
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  7. #37


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    I found a couple of Linux "versions" of Chrome OS - They are not really Chrome OS, some guy named Hexxeh or something, who works for Googol, has made a bootable USB version, I don't know exactly how it works, but it does not work with my Dell 9100 laptop. I also have an ISO image, I'll burn that and see if it comes up, then I'll post some screenshots.
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  8. #38


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    Have you posted that in wrong thread?
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  9. #39


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Some chromebooks recently have been on display at my local not so best buy. I toyed around with them, and got upset at how unfamiliar and unintuitive it was that I condemned google forever and understood why no one wants them. But no, actually, there really isn't much there to be had. An android 4 tablet has more features and capabilities than a chomebook. An android 4 based smartphone has more capability and features than a chromebook. That isn't a good thing in my notebook.

    I've seen utilities such as registry and other system cleaners be subscription based. There is a one year, two year, or lifelong subscription (basically buying it). Once that expires, you can choose to buy a new subscription. Honestly, if this subscription "wave" just means it's a different payment form for a service, then this is just meh. Some people can't afford 500 dollars for a new Office Pro Plus suite, but 100 dollars a year is more of an affordable option. That I guess also ties back to anti-piracy measures, because it now can make something that would cost over 1,500 dollars more affordable at 50 a month. I for one, don't have 1,500 dollars lying around to through at Adobe CS 6, but I do have 20 a month to throw at a subscription so I can use it when I use Photoshop from time to time.

    Subscription payments does not equal web based services that are only accessed on a browser.
    I have a chromebook and I really like it. I use it way more than my Asus transformer and the surface pro from work. For 250, it's great for my web consumption.
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  10. #40


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    Now it is the chromebook thread?
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