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Software subscriptions: progressive or premature?

  1. #21


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    I think you mean libre office.

    It is open source. No fees.

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  2. #22


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I think you mean libre office.

    It is open source. No fees.
    Libre Office is Open Office's "rival".
    They are both free (last time I checked).

    A lot of Linux distros used to use Open Office (e.g. Ubuntu 10) but they seem to have swapped to Libre Office during the last couple of years.
    Maybe the Linux distro makers hate Oracle.
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  3. #23


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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    I'll tell you right now - Subscription-based software is not immune to Piracy. Also, what may arise, is Subscription Sharing. One guy Buys the subscription, others also can log in and split the cost. Usually access is granted by a user name and a login, but lately the developers have been making Dumb Terminal Software, that installs on the PC but only allows access after authentication is made.

    A world where that is the only form of software, would suck.
    That's a lot like with Office 365, two people can split the cost of a year long subscription, and install it on their PCs. One hundred dollars sounds better split between two people than hundreds of dollars.
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    Linux Mint comes standard with Libre Office. That may say something.
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  5. #25


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    Cokey, The software I maintain uses a Shell - The user's Database is stored locally, and backed up on a server. The Libraries it connects to are online, you can actually log into them via a website using a Log/pass they give you when you buy it. So, these guys, they "rent" out their Log and Pass - to a few other guys, the main guy therefore gets it for free almost. So, the main shell Program, It activates via an active and paid up account number plus some MySQL gunk. I do not work for the company that sells it, but I know more about it than they do, I've been fixing it since 1999. It's actually a beautiful software bundle, very useful information. But - They also supply hard copy of their libraries, for Education, and customers who have no internet.

    It's my job to keep the crud working. I've just learned recently, they have a built in non-internet-access activation. Any Subscription software may have this kind of "back door" - that's the thing that gets hacked. Not suggesting I or anyone I know or anyone else in here does this, it's just one way they break into Sub software. If iPhones can be Jailbroken, then any other software can be exploited.

    So - If companies think that by making "sub only" software they cannot e hacked or pir8ed any more, they need to get slapped silly.

    Anyway, I see the move to Cloud Software, which is what this is anyway, this was a move suggested as far back as 1991, the first time I heard of it. The Format was different but the idea the same - Just like Tape and CDs. back then, Microsoft was suggesting keeping the OS on the Network and to a remote login, they would then serve the programs to the users. There would be NO Storage drives on these machines.

    Now, that was 1991. In 2013, I went to DMV to try to get my Reg... And they are USING systems like this now. each workstation is the sized of my hand - No Hared Drive, it's a Dumb Terminal.
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    I'll tell you right now - Subscription-based software is not immune to Piracy. Also, what may arise, is Subscription Sharing. One guy Buys the subscription, others also can log in and split the cost. Usually access is granted by a user name and a login, but lately the developers have been making Dumb Terminal Software, that installs on the PC but only allows access after authentication is made.

    A world where that is the only form of software, would suck.
    That's a lot like with Office 365, two people can split the cost of a year long subscription, and install it on their PCs. One hundred dollars sounds better split between two people than hundreds of dollars.
    Hi there
    That sort of operation might work in a family household but it's not viable for individual users -- and still doesn't get over the fact that 3 computers for Office 2007 / 2010 student and teacher edition for a perpetual license beats the subscription price of Office 365 hands down.

    Libre Office isn't really any sensible substitute for power users of most of the ms office suite -- some parts like the word processor might be "passable" but power EXCEL users will find the spread sheet program very limiting and for some projects totally not fit for purpose.

    Casual users will find it OK though - even on Windows.

    As for Hacking subscription software - there are zillions of methods (or so I'm told) - especially for software that you can run locally - this type of software usually "Phones home" every so often once it checks that the user is connected to the internet - then it logs in and checks the license against the activation servers records. I'm told the trick is in preventing the software from actually phoning home when you are on the internet and then somehow replicating the work that the activation server does by having some hack on the local machine -- so I do tend to agree that if companies think Subscription models will combat Piracy -- they will be HUGELY disappointed.

    I don't think too many people (Home users not corporates) will be interested in stuff that ONLY runs when connected to the web (music / film / multi-media streaming content is an exception - but for basic classical Windows applications people won't want to be connected to the web the whole time in order to use them).

    Another even more Irritating system is also creeping in -- you need to connect to the internet ONCE each time you use the software --then you can log off again for that session and run locally. I don't think that system will last too long though as it can be hacked as above and really does cause user irritation.

    Finally if companies are really desperate then they can supply a DONGLE -- this used to be popular several years ago - but since any "Mickey Mouse" factory in Taiwan / PRC etc can clone these for CENTS at a time I'm not sure if this method is viable anymore in 2013.

    The most sensible system I've seen is is a hardware Key system that operates something like those Online Banking login machines. Each time you start up the session you have to enter something like your customer number . The start up program then hashes your customer number with say the BIOS number of the machine the software is installed on and then generates a number which you then enter before the software works. The Bios number would be stored in the little machine you would receive when you purchased your subscription so you would be restricted to the particular machine you've purchased the software for (or set of machines if the license of for several machines).

    This is not 100% Hack proof but does a pretty good job --

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Cokey, The software I maintain uses a Shell - The user's Database is stored locally, and backed up on a server. The Libraries it connects to are online, you can actually log into them via a website using a Log/pass they give you when you buy it. So, these guys, they "rent" out their Log and Pass - to a few other guys, the main guy therefore gets it for free almost. So, the main shell Program, It activates via an active and paid up account number plus some MySQL gunk. I do not work for the company that sells it, but I know more about it than they do, I've been fixing it since 1999. It's actually a beautiful software bundle, very useful information. But - They also supply hard copy of their libraries, for Education, and customers who have no internet.

    It's my job to keep the crud working. I've just learned recently, they have a built in non-internet-access activation. Any Subscription software may have this kind of "back door" - that's the thing that gets hacked. Not suggesting I or anyone I know or anyone else in here does this, it's just one way they break into Sub software. If iPhones can be Jailbroken, then any other software can be exploited.

    So - If companies think that by making "sub only" software they cannot e hacked or pir8ed any more, they need to get slapped silly.

    Anyway, I see the move to Cloud Software, which is what this is anyway, this was a move suggested as far back as 1991, the first time I heard of it. The Format was different but the idea the same - Just like Tape and CDs. back then, Microsoft was suggesting keeping the OS on the Network and to a remote login, they would then serve the programs to the users. There would be NO Storage drives on these machines.

    Now, that was 1991. In 2013, I went to DMV to try to get my Reg... And they are USING systems like this now. each workstation is the sized of my hand - No Hared Drive, it's a Dumb Terminal.
    Oh yeah, that's kind of different than Office 365.

    That also made me think as well, in situations such as Office 365 where the program is installed locally and requires checking in on the internet, there can be a hack around that for sure. I can think of one software to pirate another software where it basically emulates an internet connection to fool that software that it is activated.

    God, that would had been DREADFUL if a dumb terminal was done back in the '90s with dial up... Oh boy.

    But usually in the enterprise, you will see dumb terminals like that connected back to a main server on site. It's just a network terminal and a screen. It does saves a BUNCH of costs for individual PC repairs, individual software upgrading, and less hassle as well to deal with individual system imaging and reimaging. But to do that on a large scale of 600+ million users? Ehhhhh....
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  8. #28


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    Boys, and Girls what you are talking about here is basically what is happening with Google's Chrome OS. It is all basically run from Cloud Servers no actual hard drive based applications (yes, there are applications on a HDD just in case there is a lack of service). This also is what Apple is hoping to do with OS X, or the up and coming OS XI (will be interesting to see what direction Apple is going with OS XI).
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  9. #29


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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Lee, is the Chrome OS to which you refer, related to these new 'Apps" which are installed into my Chrome? I noticed several Apps I use all the time, suddenly being offered to me - Is that because I bought them?

    This is the second time I have heard about Chrome OS - But I have never seen it, can I download it and use it? Ah - Yes, it is a form of Linux. So, it will connect to my Googol account and figure out all of the apps I bought that can run on it? It seems that some of my Apple iOS apps can be also downloaded for free for Droid- I was able to get them using my account in Bluestax. Maybe it was a fluke - Cos I have both AutoDESK and Creative Cloud accounts plus the cloud storage spaces which accompany them.

    I had to download the Chrome OS Installer disk from a file repository, so it is taking a long time. Plus I'm doing it on my new old Inspiron 9100 laptop- (My New Old Laptop which I just got a new battery for for 48 bux flat- It's pretty good, the first time I used it and charged it full, it lasted half an hour then the battery level went to 7%. I'm trying to train it, this time, it lasted since 9:00 this morning and i have been using it all day, it was down to 40% then it dropped suddenly to 7%, so I hope it is just the training, that its not a bad battery, it's huge, 12 cells.) (Sorry for the tangent heh)



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    Nobody has answered the question yet.

    Question :

    Software subscriptions:progressive or premature?

    Answer:

    Neither,they are regressive.
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