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Blue might not be as bad as we fear

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    Blue might not be as bad as we fear


    Not that bothered about 8? You're not alone. To even the most disinterested observer, it's clear Microsoft has a lot work to do...

    The change in tone.. was marked. Gone were the big messages about the Windows 8 Start screen and Windows 8-style apps... has the Start screen been over-emphasised?

    I've changed my pitch...from starting with the Start screen to starting with the Windows desktop.

    it's about doing their Windows 7 stuff and slowly get into 'OK I can do other things as well'. And suddenly it's 'well, I've got all these free apps I didn't know I had and I can play Angry Birds
    I have been saying that since before it was released.


    Moulster mused over whether there was a skew between early adopters and "people who are less techy". He also suggested that coming to Windows 8 without stigma does have positive results on touch-based devices.
    Just when you think they are getting it ....oops, the use of the word stigma.That might explain why it took so long for the penny to drop. Or it might be they don't want to admit they were trying to force it. Either way - it is insulting - not a good idea to say it.

    "I bought my mother, who's 76, a surface and - obviously while I helped her somewhat - she loves it and just gets on with it. She does her email, online banking, she does everything. What she doesn't use is the desktop. She doesn't really know it's there - she's got fairly simple needs.
    Ian, she can do all that on cheap android thing, probably without any help. So what is your USP?


    Microsoft: emphasis on Start Screen shackled Windows 8 | News | TechRadar

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    Hi there
    Some people STILL want it to work as a desktop OS and don't give two monkeys about Mobile OS or Apps. This is where the Windows install process needs to work better -- most people even on these forums don't seem to get it that a bog standard user who say installs something like the full CS6 adobe suite is going to get confronted with zillions of tiles because each snivelling wretched .EXE file creates its own tile -- and to tell basic USERS things like "Just Unpin it" / Move the app to the desktop / taskbar etc. isn't going to cut it in any shape or form. Users are quite capable of running complex applications on their machines without being Windows Gurus in any shape or form either so knowing what to unpin or move is NOT A TRIVIAL TASK.

    These tiles also aren't installed in any particular logical order unlike the traditional menu process but just slot in alphabetically anywhere on the screen - also not having recognizable icons etc makes the whole thing a real MESS.

    People like me can sort out a bit of this stuff - I've created a couple of custom toolbars, pin one or two apps to the taskbar and created a few desktop short cuts too so I don't really miss the lack of a start bar / menu but I HATE the endless tile scrolling gig - fortunately I don't go to the start screen very often but that area would be my whole direction to remove a lot of bad vibes over Windows 8.

    Why could we not have say a single tile for CS suite which when clicked could expand into the sub applications like Photoshop, Bridge etc etc.

    As for touch -- even on a mobile phone scrolling loads of apps is not a very pleasant task either -- once you need to scroll more than about 5 times then IMO the whole usefulness of that type of interface has gone.

    (5 Scrolls on a Samsung Galaxy S3 is around 100 applications - which is probably about typical for that type of phone - including those that come pre-installed on the phone if you get one tied to a contract. On a computer mouse scrolling tiles is JUST PLAIN ANNOYING).

    The rest of W8 is like but that start screen --please sort it out Ms for DESKTOP users.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Hard to tell if those noises Ian is making will have much effect at HQ.

    If they still want to force the start screen, maybe they should take a look at Ubuntu Unity again - they do it far better.

    We will find out.
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    Been working with all the new versions of Win 8.1 (to date), and the only thing IMO that they need is the availability to change the background on the Start Screen. At present using Decor 8 (thirty day demo), and have to say the availability to be able to just change the screen to a picture makes a big difference.
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    That may be because you don't mind having a mobile phone interface thrust at you.

    MS comments above clearly admit it is causing a problem.

    A lot of people can't stand it.

    Perhaps making it look bit less like a mobile phone interface will be a small help, as you suggest. I think they would be better to do far more than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    That may be because you don't mind having a mobile phone interface thrust at you.

    MS comments above clearly admit it is causing a problem.

    A lot of people can't stand it.

    Perhaps making it look bit less like a mobile phone interface will be a small help, as you suggest. I think they would be better to do far more than that.
    Based on my experience, most people are indifferent about windows 8. A few like myself love it and a few hate it. But again, most people just don't care.
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    There is also that.

    It is not what Ian is addressing. (link in first post ).


    MS spends a couple of bn pushing out a new version of windows to be met with widespread indifference.

    Apple or Samsung do a press release - queues form around the block. Even those not loopy enough to queue up are caught up in the buzz, or at the very least aware of it.

    The commercials of those poor folks with stinging ants in their knickers didn't do the job for MS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    There is also that.

    It is not what Ian is addressing. (link in first post ).


    MS spends a couple of bn pushing out a new version of windows to be met with widespread indifference.

    Apple or Samsung do a press release - queues form around the block. Even those not loopy enough to queue up are caught up in the buzz, or at the very least aware of it.

    The commercials of those poor folks with stinging ants in their knickers didn't do the job for MS.
    I agree. MS poured a ton of money into their marketing campaign and failed miserably. Heads should be rolling by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    That may be because you don't mind having a mobile phone interface thrust at you.

    MS comments above clearly admit it is causing a problem.

    A lot of people can't stand it.

    Perhaps making it look bit less like a mobile phone interface will be a small help, as you suggest. I think they would be better to do far more than that.
    Not sure for your reasoning, albeit to each there own.

    Now, I do not own a mobile phone nor have I, nor will I ever own one. The area that I live in is all mountains (in the range of 8,000 ft to 11,000 ft myself I am at 7600 ft and yes there is still over two-hundred inches of snow). The people (the little over three hundred in the whole county) voted five years ago to ban cell towers in this beautiful, and wild country. Thus, no reason to own the silly things. The land line works just fine.
    Last edited by Lee; 05 May 2013 at 23:29.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    That may be because you don't mind having a mobile phone interface thrust at you.

    MS comments above clearly admit it is causing a problem.

    A lot of people can't stand it.

    Perhaps making it look bit less like a mobile phone interface will be a small help, as you suggest. I think they would be better to do far more than that.
    Based on my experience, most people are indifferent about windows 8. A few like myself love it and a few hate it. But again, most people just don't care.
    As one who has it on his laptop, I can say I'm a bit indifferent toward the OS myself. I was planning on replacing it with Win 7, but after a while of messing with it... I'm in no hurry to do such a thing. I'm simply getting used to it; although I stay in desktop mode most of the time, I also find I use the metro interface more than I care to admit. And this is on a non-touch screen.

    Hopefully Blue can make it better before I decide to replace my Win 7 OS on my desktop though.

    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    There is also that.

    It is not what Ian is addressing. (link in first post ).


    MS spends a couple of bn pushing out a new version of windows to be met with widespread indifference.

    Apple or Samsung do a press release - queues form around the block. Even those not loopy enough to queue up are caught up in the buzz, or at the very least aware of it.

    The commercials of those poor folks with stinging ants in their knickers didn't do the job for MS.
    I agree. MS poured a ton of money into their marketing campaign and failed miserably. Heads should be rolling by now.
    Perhaps I missed that marketing campaign because Win 8 had to be the quietest release I'd ever seen or heard. Most people didn't even know it was released on "release day". Now, MS might be marketing it to high hell, but on release day - mouse quiet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    That may be because you don't mind having a mobile phone interface thrust at you.

    MS comments above clearly admit it is causing a problem.

    A lot of people can't stand it.

    Perhaps making it look bit less like a mobile phone interface will be a small help, as you suggest. I think they would be better to do far more than that.
    Not sure for your reasoning, albeit to each there own.

    Now, I do not own a mobile phone nor have I, nor will I ever own one. The area that I live in is all mountains (in the range of 8,000 ft to 11,000 ft myself I am at 7600 ft and yes there is still over two inches of snow). The people (the little over three hundred in the whole county) voted five years ago to ban cell towers in this beautiful, and wild country. Thus, no reason to own the silly things. The land line works just fine.
    Haven't you heard Lee, there's obviously something wrong with us because we dare to use Windows 8. Somehow we've become brainwashed and less sophisticated
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