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Here's why Windows 8 will never approach Vista's awfulnes

  1. #11


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    It all depends on how the memory was managed. Vista would simply not release memory that had been allocated, close an app and that memory was still being allocated to it 15 minutes after it was closed. In Vista I would use a Memory Manager which was part of Yamicsoft Vista Manager, it would force the release of the ram once the application was no longer using it.

    I just noticed this in Windows 8, there is a thing called "Runtime Broker" which seems to be in charge of the ram now - Anmd Yamicsoft Windows 8 manager no longer has the Memory Manager app which has been part of the package since XP.

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  2. #12


    Posts : 168
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Quote Originally Posted by LMiller7 View Post
    There is nothing fundamentally new in the way Vista manages memory. In fact, the basic fundamentals of how Windows 8 manages memory hasn't changed since NT was first introduced in 1993. The goal has always been to use memory to the fullest possible extent. It is just that later versions have found more ways (such as superfetch) to accomplish that goal.

    Much of the confusion comes from the way memory statistics were shown in XP and earlier versions. Vista and later show values for "Available" and "Free" memory, emphasizing that they are not the same thing while XP and earlier versions showed only "Available". It was widely believed that XP available memory was all free. That is not the case. Available memory in NT has always been the sum of Standby and Free memory, just as in Vista. Unfortunately, to see these values in XP and older you needed some pretty sophisticated and difficult to use tools. Standby memory is usually the bulk of available memory with free memory being much smaller, but not as small as Vista.

    Unlike XP which has only one, Vista has 8 prioritized standby lists. Vista was also the first to show Standby memory in Resource monitor, leading many people to believe this was something new. But it has been in NT since the very beginning.
    Thanks for the info.
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  3. #13


    Posts : 41
    pro Windows 8 64-bit

    The Truth


    I rather use ubuntu then windows vista and trying running photoshop on a w8 and vista and windows 8 is way faster. If that dont proof enough to you my vista laptop took 10 mins! No exaggeration to start up and my dell inspiron 15R With windows 8 takes 30 seconds.
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  4. #14


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Same Laptop? 5 Mins for Vista, 30 secs for 8? That's what I have been trying to say!
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  5. #15


    Posts : 41
    pro Windows 8 64-bit


    Also Heres My Specs Of My Vista Laptop If Having Vista Ain`t Bad Enough I had a Toshibia Satellite.
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  6. #16


    Posts : 168
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    Hey, when I ran MS-DOS 6.22 and loaded my ANSI.SYS driver on my 20 MB Seagate hard drive, it took 10 minutes!!
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  7. #17


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    On an IBM PX-XT with the "full 640k of Ram?" You bet! I wish I still had that museum piece, it ran great for 16 years, I used it for AutoCAD. I even had a Math Co-Processor!

    I knew the 8088 up and down, I was a god with "debug"
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  8. #18


    Toronto, Canada. Born in the U.K.
    Posts : 691
    Win 10 Pro + Win 7 Ult SP1 (x64)


    Well I happen to love Vista and mine is no memory hog either.
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  9. #19


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    Photoshop CS6 extended 64 bit on Win 8 i5 Sony laptop with a W7 X-64 4 GB Virtual machine also concurrently running (Laptop has 8GB RAM) takes less than 7 secs to start (on the HOST machine) -- mind you I am using an SSD.

    However VISTA probably would also have run decently on a laptop with proper hardware in it and especially with an SSD.

    My REAL gripe with VISTA was two fold -- the totally BONKERS UAC "feature" and the fact that the OS was released long before adequate hardware was ready for it.

    Under the hood - VISTA is quite similar to W7 -- amazing isn't it --W7 gets glowing reports from almost 100% of the users -- whereas poor old VISTA is totally maligned --remember no VISTA then there wouldn't have been W7 -- and can you imagine if you'd had to go straight from XP to W8 without W7 being available.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #20


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    I know that there are some who actually like it - And to tell the truth, there were quite a few things I DID like.

    1) Dreamscene 2) Gadgets 3) The Aero Transparency.

    What sucked and still sucks? UAC. It should never have been put in.

    Vista was designed, as I said, for a specific Intel 32-but Core Duo Processor - And it worked WELL within that environment - Provided you had at least 2 GB of Ram, 4 GB was better, and it was also what they suggested.

    But what did the OEMS do? They did not stick to that format, they started installing it to Celerons and Athlons and Durons and later Semprons, and even eventually Atoms. To make the system CHEAPER, they would only install 512 MB!!

    512 MB on a CELERON! The last system I worked on, which had a Celery and 512 - I finally put more RAM in there and installed Windows 7! What is the excuse for this E-Machines eTower - When it had VISTA - IT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

    It took 5 minutes to boot - going from one program to the other, which is instantaneous in Windows 7 and 8 - feels like you are swimming in MOLASSES. The little CPU/MEMORY gadget - Showed CPU and Memory PEGGED - ALL the time. The moment it booted to Windows 7, the CPU/RAM gadget went back down to normal.

    So, despite what COOL things Vista had - The OS was SO BAD that nobody could enjoy those things unless they were rich and could by an Alienware machine.

    Vista SUCKS and Microsoft even understood this - But I say again - they were railroaded in to developing it by INTEL! Intel Promised MS a dual HT 64-bit processor, handed them a 64 processor all right - But as DUAL 32!

    So from within the framework of a System running a Core Duo of any speed - Then and ONLY then, will Vista act more like Windows 7 does - On ALL Processors.

    Anybody who wants can run whatever OS they want - But Vista SUCKS. And if it were "Just Like Windows 7" or even SIMILAR - Then my 3.3 GHz, 2 GHz Ram Celeron system should run it as well as it runs Windows 7. BUT IT DIDN'T. Anyone running Vista where it seems to be running fast and smooth, is running that OS in the environment intended for it - 32 bit Core Duo, 4 GB Ram, 500 GB Hard drive, 3/4 full so that there is a huge Pagefile.

    The other thing that Vista was made fore was Vanderpool (Hyper V as it was originally called, aka Virtualization) - You had to have 4 GB of Ram, if you had Vanderpool turned ON on the BIOS, it would take 1 GB of that ram off the top and assign it for Virtualization - That was the ONLY way to run it and have the Hosted OS act like it was supposed to act. But it never really worked until Windows 7 came out and introduced "Windows XP Mode" which worked even with 2 GB of Ram.

    Not to mention, as Jimbo says - for the first 9 months, it was VERY hard to find drivers for your hardware - Even for systems "Designed for Vist-sh'iite"


    I remmeber finding the drivers for a Toshiba Satellite one item at a time, on the net - For XP Drivers - Once I got XP in there and found the drivers - It ran great. It CAME with Vistcrap in it, it was a totally unusable notebook. When 7 came out, in it went and its been running great for the last 4 years. 5 years? When DID Vistapoodoo come out, Winter of 2005 right? When did 7 come out... Ya know, I cant remember cos the era of Vista was deep in the era of Bush, and it was kinda like The Dark Ages. When 7 came out, it was like a Ray of Hope.

    Windows 8 is in NO way as bad a Vista was, I;ve updated SO many machines to Windows 7, I really havent seen one single working install of Vistphart out in the field, for 5 years... And then I got this Tower - Guess what, it was a Celeron, 512mb Ram. 100 gb Hard Drive, with Vista on it.

    Well, I could not allow that puter to suffer so as fast as I could, I updated it to 7. It only took, 6 hours to do it... Windows 7 to 8? Takes 1 hr 45 min max... I'm talking about Upgrading a system, keeping all of your files and settings. Vista to 7 took 6 hours... An In-Place Windows 7 install, has never taken me longer than 2 hours. Those are facts, and they say something. They say Vista is wholly inadequate for how pretty it is. Widows XP and 7 are workhorses, like Windows 8 can be with a little tweeking- it can be a great OS.
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