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  1. #21


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    Personally I think this a big mistake on Apple's mistake. There is nothing wrong with the current graphical environment in the i0S. It works and it's familiar why do they want to go down a flat button/Microsoft route for? I would think for Io7 they could open it up so that themes can be applied and reset the screen so that widgets can be added.

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  2. #22


    Quote Originally Posted by The Marshal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by phillipduran View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Marshal View Post
    I know all the iPhone users in my household are jealous of my Nokia 920.
    Now they make ME take all the pictures. ha! And you should see the envy when I just lay it on the charger to recharge....
    Envy? You might as well lug around a spare phone given the size of the charger. Wireless charging has been around for a while, it's not really picking up steam. You still have the cord, the wall charger and then you add the additional hardware of the charging platform. This doesn't trump the charger to USB cable that is the current standard.

    It's a cute little gimmick but plugging in a cable really isn't a problem that needed a solution. Are your iPhone friends really envious of a wireless charger?
    So you have never actually used it, have you?
    The Nokia phone has the micro-usb connector to plug into. And with an Otter Case on it, now you have to move the little protective flap out of the way. Plugging in that fat iPhone connector is much easier than a tiny usb. But why do that, when I can just LAY it on the charging plate on the way by the desk? Oh, and when I want to get the phone, I just GRAB it and go.
    Gimmicky? I can't understand your logic.
    Gimmicky because it is a piece of hardware that removes the mind numbingly difficult task of . . .unplugging and plugging in. Glad we found a solution to that.

    Fat iPhone connector? Maybe if you're still in 2010.
    Today's iPhone connector:
    Click image for larger version
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  3. #23


    Quote Originally Posted by GhostDog View Post
    Personally I think this a big mistake on Apple's mistake. There is nothing wrong with the current graphical environment in the i0S. It works and it's familiar why do they want to go down a flat button/Microsoft route for? I would think for Io7 they could open it up so that themes can be applied and reset the screen so that widgets can be added.
    I think it is for the themes as you suggest. One of the biggest iOS QQ's that I hear about is the lack of customization you can do on the phone. There is also an all out jihad against skeuomorphism going on at Apple at the moment. I like all the skeumorphic design, it gives the phone some character, but I can see how it could get in the way of customizing the look of the OS.
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  4. #24


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    copying 8 is a catchy headline .

    It is rubbish.


    There are good reasons for any changes apple may make to the appearance of their os.

    One of them is that is is becoming harder to get people to buy essentially the same product year after year. Make it look different and they think it is a different product.
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  5. #25


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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by GhostDog View Post
    Personally I think this a big mistake on Apple's mistake. There is nothing wrong with the current graphical environment in the i0S. It works and it's familiar why do they want to go down a flat button/Microsoft route for? I would think for Io7 they could open it up so that themes can be applied and reset the screen so that widgets can be added.
    All of those things require filesystem access, they will never agree to it unless they put the themes in themselves and put in a control that allows you to select from a pre installed theme.

    Apples motivation for releasing new IOS's is not what it looks like, but does it BLOCK Jailbreaking. The mistake Apple made was removing Personal Choice from the decision of which iOS you can use, our only choice is to NOT update to their latest iOS.

    You'll notice there were 6 rapid iOS updates in a row when iOS 6.0 to 6.1.2 were jailbroken - the they gave bogus reasons for these hurried updates. The reason why they released 6.1.3 was BOGUS, it was released to break eVasi0n, not to fix the lock screen bug, because that bug was proved to not be fixed at all in 6.1.3.

    So, if they do decide to make iOS look as flat and lame as Windows 8 tiles, I'll stick with iOS 6.1.2 and lock it down so it cannot be updated.

    It's my personal choice to run Windows XP, Vista, 7 or 8, and I'm glad Microsoft does not force ut to use Windows 8.
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  6. #26


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    copying 8 is a catchy headline .

    It is rubbish.


    There are good reasons for any changes apple may make to the appearance of their os.

    One of them is that is is becoming harder to get people to buy essentially the same product year after year. Make it look different and they think it is a different product.

    Well, they want iPhone users to buy brand new iPhones each time they make a new one. If they wanted this to be successful, they'd release the phones every 2 years to coincide with our Plan Renewals, which they do in a small part, when new iPhones come out, a person eligible for upgrade is offered one for sometimes a ridiculously low amount - Or you can get the previous iPhone for free practically. Not so in my case, I was eligible for upgrade last December but I was on my brothers plan and he cancelled me without warning, it was hard enough to get my number ported much less get a new iPhone on a carrier I could afford, I had to go for Sprint. I was paying my part of a Family Plan before, and it was about 60 bucks, the lowest price for single user for ATT is 150!

    When I was on ATT I was eligible to buy an iPhone 4S for about 40 bucks. But not having that, I had to pay about 450 bucks for it including the deposit to Sprint and and other activation fees, it killed me the first month. End of Non Sequitur Rant.

    Apple and the carriers have nice ways they can sucker you into extending your service, by offering you great deals for new phones, but the iOS, you do not buy the iOS, it is part of the product, and as such Apple wants total control over it, they do not want you to have one inch of control over your phone, how it looks, how it operates.

    This is why Jailbreaking is so popular, you will not see people developing Jailbreaks for Windows 8 phones, if you can customise it as you see fit. You don't really see Droids being whatever-they-call-jailbreaking for those that often. But in the first week of eVasi0n, it was documents, over 40 million uses of it on a lesser amount of Unique IDs - But that number, was maybe 14 to 20 million. But I don't think those numbers are right, because about 1 in 4 of every iPhone is Jailbroken- There are a lot of devices still being used which have earlier iOS's and jailbreaks.
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by phillipduran View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by GhostDog View Post
    Personally I think this a big mistake on Apple's mistake. There is nothing wrong with the current graphical environment in the i0S. It works and it's familiar why do they want to go down a flat button/Microsoft route for? I would think for Io7 they could open it up so that themes can be applied and reset the screen so that widgets can be added.
    I think it is for the themes as you suggest. One of the biggest iOS QQ's that I hear about is the lack of customization you can do on the phone. There is also an all out jihad against skeuomorphism going on at Apple at the moment. I like all the skeumorphic design, it gives the phone some character, but I can see how it could get in the way of customizing the look of the OS.
    Hey PhillipDuran:

    Click image for larger version

    That's my default Theme, I have downloaded a Windows 8 Theme that is pretty convincing, but I havent tested it yet.
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  8. #28


    In my opinion Apple can keep control of their Walled Garden for all I care and yes I currently own an iPad 4 and have owned every model they have sold. I have also had 3 different Android tablets and now currently have and love the Ativ 500.

    The advantage of the iPad over any tablet on the market in my opinion is the App Store. Not because there are 30,000 fart apps, but because if you look around you will find some of the most polished and professional tablet apps in the world in that walled garden.

    Android has tried in my opinion but it really seems that they are more concerned with the OS, Jelly Bean, Key Lime Pie, Lemon Drops or whatever "L" will be called. It seems that the Android developers just never really got serious about catching Apple with the quality of apps for tablets!

    And now there is Windows 8 and I'm giving it a whirl. For any Apple owners out here who have ever used iAnnotate, Omnifocus, or Notebooks, just to name a few you will understand my quest in trying to find replacements for those in the Windows environment and so far I'm drawing blanks.

    So in my opinion Apple can open the door to themeing and widgets and allow developers to sell themes and widgets in the app store. Sounds like a great plan to me. Let's step up the competition and see the quality of our tablet experience rise.
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickeylittle View Post

    The advantage of the iPad over any tablet on the market in my opinion is the App Store. Not because there are 30,000 fart apps, but because if you look around you will find some of the most polished and professional tablet apps in the world in that walled garden.

    Android has tried in my opinion but it really seems that they are more concerned with the OS, Jelly Bean, Key Lime Pie, Lemon Drops or whatever "L" will be called. It seems that the Android developers just never really got serious about catching Apple with the quality of apps for tablets!

    And now there is Windows 8 and I'm giving it a whirl. For any Apple owners out here who have ever used iAnnotate, Omnifocus, or Notebooks, just to name a few you will understand my quest in trying to find replacements for those in the Windows environment and so far I'm drawing blanks.

    So in my opinion Apple can open the door to themeing and widgets and allow developers to sell themes and widgets in the app store. Sounds like a great plan to me. Let's step up the competition and see the quality of our tablet experience rise.
    There is an LCARS theme for iPad in the app store, or there was, my brother has it in his iPad, it is great, it is the only app I have ever seen that applies a theme. I don't know if they still sell it, but it was beautiful, had the support of CBS and Apple, and it worked great.

    For iPhone, the only thing a user can do is use their own images for lockscreen and wallpaper - I do have the images for this theme saved so I can use it, but there are other things in it, when you open a folder it has those orange and purple rounded borders like the Workstations on the Bridge.

    "Walled Garden" is a good way to express Apple's Store. Is there a NAVIGIN in the Windows 8 store? Nope. No Navigon, no Tom Tom, but there is an Inrix at least. How about Evernote, Onenote, yes I have a Onenote tile... Blogger, Wikipedia, how about my Union Bank app? Nope!

    This is why Microsoft really needs to nail down every application for the store with the question "What PRACTICAL use can the user get out of this?" and there should be a concrete answer to this, and if it is not fulfilled, it should be pulled. Because right now, the fake app makers put a WORD you are looking for in the apps name and tags, so you buy their crappy app, and it has nothing to do with the word you typed in.

    [edit] Nope they had Evernote! You know what I do like, is in the store, there was a link to the Desktop app, I clicked on it and it brought up the IE Tile, and it seamlessly downloaded the Desktop app and started the install. They did at least get IE for Metro correct.
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    I just spent a few minutes rearranging my tiles, and wow, woops, my WD tile is finally reading my My Book contents and showing it to me. Meanwhile, I installed the Windows 8 forums app into my iPhone, And now I can speak my lame thoughts into this thing instead of typing it haha!
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