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Windows 8 six months in: Thoughts from a power(less) user

  1. #61


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMike View Post
    Hi Guys,
    Let me tell you about my nearly unbelievable first 3 weeks after buying my HP Windows 8 64 bit computer. I got used to or found my way around most of the things that new users complain about fairly quickly. I was personalizing and loading in my files and music and generally trying to make this PC as much like my old XP as possible. I noticed that every time I took a bathroom break and came back it had gone to the lock screen and I had to log in again. Each time this happened I went through all the settings I could find that could possibly be causing this. Each time I thought I had solved the problem. And each time it happened again. Now I will tell you I always disable the screensaver (by setting it to none) very early in the process of setting up any PC. I learned very early on that screensavers can play havoc with defrags and the like. Well anyway, After about 3 weeks of trying over and over to solve this problem I was about to try fixing it with a hammer. But I managed to restrain myself and started going through the settings for the millionth or so time when I noticed that Microsoft in their infinite wisdom had set the screensaver to come on after 2 minutes and to require a password upon resume. Could it be? Even with the screensaver set to "none"? I tried setting the wait time to 9999 and unchecked the password on resume option. Guess what? It worked! Problem solved! Are you kidding me? This had been happening with the screensaver set to "none"? Come on Microsoft!!! Give a guy a break. Must have been one of those "Internal Jokes" that they build in so they can get a good laugh at idiots like me pulling their hair out and going utterly insane trying to fix a simple (to them) problem. Like I said earlier. It was / is almost unbelievable.
    That is totally unbelievable! I understand though. Windows 8 screensaver options are almost identical to Windows 7, and there are three levels of settings:

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    The first you choose your screensaver and the TIME it will start showing

    The next leve are the "Power Settings" - which override the settings on the initial Screen Saver area. So if your screen saver is set to start after 30 minutes, it will never start ever if you have your Power Plan Setings set to turn off the Monitor after 15 minutes.

    Consequently, THESE settings are overridden in the "Advanced Power Settings" area - And you see that here is where you can choose or not choose to have security on wakeup.

    And deep down further in the advanced panel, are sleep options which override the 1st two layers of settings - And the proper setting for those is to use the word "Never" rather than the number 0.

    I use the Ribbon screensaver all the time, it is the best one I think, and the closest one to the one MacOS screensaver I like so it matches my Mac when they are both on. But the other reason I use is, is that it does not have graphics to squish through the GPU, it is just random colours. Some of the other screensavers, like ones that show your kids photos, have to use some graphics power.

    But the reason why in Windows 8 you can use all screensavers without worry to it affecting processes like "Defrag" is because Defrag no longer works the same way it did in Windows 7, now it operates more like Raxxo Perfect Dick, which optimises the drive rather than moving stuff around. This is due to the superfluity of SSD hard drives and hybrid drives put into systems these days.

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  2. #62


    Thanks Guys,
    I just kind of freaked out on the fact that Microsoft had (in my opinion of course) such a short default wait time for the screensaver and that they had it set by default to require a password on resume even when you would choose "none" for your screensaver! I came to 8 from XP and have had very little dealings with 7 at all so this was very alien to me. It was just one of those things that when you finally figure it out you can not imagine how it took as long as it did. Thanks to all for the replies.
    Last edited by MisterMike; 16 May 2013 at 12:24.
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  3. #63


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Yah, cos it was going into "Sleep" mode after that 2 minutes time period. But sometimes Sleep mode does not engage correctly, so your computer re-wakes, and it wakes up to the damnable LOCK screen. I use Stardock Start8 to disable the lock screen.
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  4. #64


    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Perhaps I should have mentioned that it should be on an empty desktop, for Alt/F4 continues to close apps/programs. Therefore, one should save files and close programs before doing so.
    Grrrrr..........
    I second the motion... Grrrrr.... (I was working on a 3D model).....
    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sajara View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMike View Post
    Hey Hippsie Gypsy,
    Great tip about ALT + F4 !!!!!! Why does Microsoft keep such things so secret?
    It's no secret, it has always been there. I used it since Win 95
    Even power users miss certain features that have been there forever. For example, if you press control key and roll the scrolling wheel on your mouse, the webpage will zoom in or out. I always thought this was obvious. I know this one guy that prides himself in being a techie. He's a developer by trade. And he claims to know everything there is to know about windows. Anyway, when I showed him this last year, he was amazed. Before that, he had no idea you could zoom in and out the webpage by doing that.
    Not sure to apologize or not, but sorry if you two lost any work. When closing a program where work/files are not saved it'll ask to save before closing. That's the norm anyway.When shutting down, to be sure, I just got done testing in Win 8. I had a few test programs open without saving, the OS began shutdown, and then asked to cancel because of unsaved work/files. Pressed cancel and all is well. This is the same as past OSs. If that's not what happened to you two, then I would think something's wrong.

    As sajara mentioned, Alt/F4 along with a lot of combos have been there since Win 95 to close programs and power menu when on blank desktop. I never used power menu for I would use WinKey (which is actually Start Orb) to open Start Menu > Arrow right = Shutdown. Other options I would arrow once over then up.

    I new that about zoom, but thanks for mentioning that. Great combo.

    I know to each there own, but the mouse to me is a necessary evil. It's slow. A waste of motion reaching for it and using. Anything I can do to keep my hands on the keyboard via WinKey or key combos to navigate, command, and to place something in a mode I think is much faster. e.g. Ctrl/B = bold (before typing) > Ctrl/B = unbold/normal font (after typing what one wants bolded). Why would I want to take my hand off the keyboard, reach for the mouse, grab it, point to the B in the text editor, start typing, then reverse the process when I want normal font again?

    Windows 8 Keyboard Shortcut Keys List

    That concludes today's lesson on kbScs (Keyboard Shortcuts). With that, I'll post this with Alt/S.
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  5. #65


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Hippsie-Gypsie: Ya know one this that is bugging me with Windows 8 Tiles, is that there is absolutely NO Multitasking for them, leaving them open basically shuts them down. This was something dealt with early on with iOS, a cYdia Jailbreak App was made for early iOS called "Backgrounder" which allowed apps to keep running. Apple incorporated this around iOS 4, maybe before, so that changing from one app to another did not close the app and then you had a Taskswitcher from which to access all running apps.

    Right now, I see Windows 8 as being the equivalent to the original iOS. NO backgrounding, Very simplistic design and function. In all of the important ways, Windows 8's Metro is in fact equivalent to that original iOS.

    This was not a good decision from where to enter the Tablet arena, as the other Device based OS's had already developed these improvements. It just gives serious device users all the mroe reason to totally avoid Windows 8 based devices.

    I don't know, maybe Windows 8 RT has a better task manager for tiles.
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  6. #66


    I know nothing of IOS. Android though.

    Not sure what you mean by Windows 8 tiles. Do you mean open apps? To me they seem to sleep in the background when not in use.

    For now there's dual snapping. 1/3-2/3. Blue shows signs of four apps snap. I think paning would be the solution for windowing.

    I think live tiles are an ingenious idea. A combination of icon and gadget. It's all about information these days.
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  7. #67


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Yah I mean Apps, which I refer to as Apps or Tiles, I refer to regular programs as Programs or applications.

    I'm trying to populate my external Drive using the WD Tile, and it sleeps when in the background which is equivalent to doing absolutely nothing.

    With iOS, you switch to another app and the app you set to do some work is still working and is done by the time you get back to it.
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  8. #68


    I see what you mean by applications, programs, and "apps". They should be called MS Store apps. I dual boot and do my business in 7. I have to upgrade my office 2000. I might go subscription since I'm retiring soon. Not sure.

    Not quite sure what you mean yet. When I'm in 8 and let's say I have the Store Mail app open with an unfinished email then I go elsewhere temporarily, then return, the email's there for me to finish.

    Are you speaking of a program that takes time to calculate things? Those sleep?
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  9. #69


    @ fourthofjuly and other engineers, designers, architects, and enthusiasts.

    Did you happen to see Bing's pic of the day? Here in the U.S. anyway. Bing

    It's the first time I've seen these beauts. I bet perhaps Dubai, Sydney, and others are jealous of this project.

    Can you imagine how much data is in that CAD's (or whatever program's) database? How much time it took to design and engineer? I couldn't imagine how many man hours it took to estimate to bid it, let alone build it.
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  10. #70


    Posts : 2,627
    win8.1.1 enterprise


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    @ fourthofjuly and other engineers, designers, architects, and enthusiasts.

    Did you happen to see Bing's pic of the day? Here in the U.S. anyway. Bing

    It's the first time I've seen these beauts. I bet perhaps Dubai, Sydney, and others are jealous of this project.

    Can you imagine how much data is in that CAD's (or whatever program's) database? How much time it took to design and engineer? I couldn't imagine how many man hours it took to estimate to bid it, let alone build it.
    seen it and thought it was in Dubai it was so big
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