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Windows 8 six months in: Thoughts from a power(less) user

  1. #51


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    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I have to comment about the shut down thing in Windows 8. It's interesting because it shows how people will interact with devices JUST because of what they are. With PCs, apparently one MUST go to Start, and hit shut down to shut down the PC. On a phablet or smartphone, to shut down, one must hold the power button and slide something. To sleep, just hit the power button. On the PC, you go to Start, and hit Sleep or maybe close the laptop lid. On modern devices that are mobile, there really isn't a single piece of software UI that is used to control those power settings. But on the older PC, we're still doing that in the way of Windows 95 whereas you literally can hit the PHYSICAL power button on the PC to shut down or to sleep. After thinking about this, this is SO weird when this becomes about laptops, because they have the button right there under your face, yet it is never used other than to resume the PC from sleep or to turn it back on. There seems to be this rigid tradition with Windows that 8 has fleshed out. On tablets however, even with Windows 8 on, turning the PC off is the same way as other tablets and smartphones: hit the physical power button. On a laptop that is also mobile like the tablet, use the UI to sleep or shutdown. See the strangeness there? It actually doesn't make sense to me.
    I still have burnt in my memory the day (I think in my first job), when I accidentally knocked the power button on a mini-computer (one of those things as big as two old-fashioned washing machines) and killed a demo which the salesman was doing in another room to some customers. And of course the machine took about 15 mins to start up again. Oops... But it certainly got ingrained in me that day to use the software shutdown and to stay away from the hardware power button!

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Geez. When I started driving at 13 with my first job back on the farm the ignition switches (on/off) were on the dashboards. Sometimes in the late 70's or early 80's they started to place them on the steering columns. That was so difficult to learn!
    The tractors I was using when I was a teenager had an ignition/starter key on the dashboard or steering column, but once the engine got going, you could turn the key all you liked and it made no difference - you had to pull another handle to switch it off.

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  2. #52


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    Win 8 64-bit


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    I still have burnt in my memory the day (I think in my first job), when I accidentally knocked the power button on a mini-computer (one of those things as big as two old-fashioned washing machines) and killed a demo which the salesman was doing in another room to some customers. And of course the machine took about 15 mins to start up again. Oops... But it certainly got ingrained in me that day to use the software shutdown and to stay away from the hardware power button!
    Yeah, I still use software shutdown out of habit too, and also because my tower's tucked right out of the way where the cooling fans don't drive me crazy. Although, because I have the shutdown shortcut on the top left of the start page, it's just a case of hitting Win key then Enter to shutdown anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    The tractors I was using when I was a teenager had an ignition/starter key on the dashboard or steering column, but once the engine got going, you could turn the key all you liked and it made no difference - you had to pull another handle to switch it off.
    I remember to start an old Fergie we had, you had to pull the engine cut-out lever over, spray Easy Start in the air filter, press a button on the side of the gearbox in with the heel of your foot, then simultaneously push the gear lever forwards somewhere around 3rd gear to activate the starter motor, then after the engine started to turn over a couple of seconds (to suck the Easy Start in) quickly flip the engine cut-out lever back. In it's defence though, it never got stolen.
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  3. #53


    Hi Guys,
    Let me tell you about my nearly unbelievable first 3 weeks after buying my HP Windows 8 64 bit computer. I got used to or found my way around most of the things that new users complain about fairly quickly. I was personalizing and loading in my files and music and generally trying to make this PC as much like my old XP as possible. I noticed that every time I took a bathroom break and came back it had gone to the lock screen and I had to log in again. Each time this happened I went through all the settings I could find that could possibly be causing this. Each time I thought I had solved the problem. And each time it happened again. Now I will tell you I always disable the screensaver (by setting it to none) very early in the process of setting up any PC. I learned very early on that screensavers can play havoc with defrags and the like. Well anyway, After about 3 weeks of trying over and over to solve this problem I was about to try fixing it with a hammer. But I managed to restrain myself and started going through the settings for the millionth or so time when I noticed that Microsoft in their infinite wisdom had set the screensaver to come on after 2 minutes and to require a password upon resume. Could it be? Even with the screensaver set to "none"? I tried setting the wait time to 9999 and unchecked the password on resume option. Guess what? It worked! Problem solved! Are you kidding me? This had been happening with the screensaver set to "none"? Come on Microsoft!!! Give a guy a break. Must have been one of those "Internal Jokes" that they build in so they can get a good laugh at idiots like me pulling their hair out and going utterly insane trying to fix a simple (to them) problem. Like I said earlier. It was / is almost unbelievable.
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  4. #54


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Well, I had my first 'play' with an Android tablet today. A neighbour of my in-laws (who is 80+ years of age) has an Acer Iconia A200, which she just uses to play games, and her daughter had visited her and did things to it that set up apps that required internet access. The old girl didn't know how to get rid of these from the main screen, so my wife brought it home for me to look at.

    I have to say, it was the easiest thing in the world to sort out. It took just a few minutes to find the settings control, hunt up the offending apps (one being Google+) and disable then from showing up on the main screen and starting. I played around with the tablet briefly to get a feel for it and, seriously, this is how a tablet based just on apps should work.

    What I found most impressive was that once you were in the settings menu, everything was available at your fingertips (literally, as that's all I used). This is completely the reverse with what I've experienced with Windows 8 and the stupid way things are buried in the system. WiFi, Bluetooth, security etc; all controls were available on the one screen, on a side panel, and all you had to do was select one and the controls would open next to it.

    If the Windows 8 start screen had been designed this way, I would have applauded it. As it is, it's a cluster, especially for someone who doesn't have a lot of technical knowledge.
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  5. #55


    If it was so easy why didn't the "old girl" figure it out?

    Have you ever thought that perhaps MS might have made it a little more difficult for the commoner to get at system settings so they don't screw the system up? One gets three months support with 8. How much do you think MS or any business spends on that department? Is it evil that a business attempts to keep this at a minimal as much as possible? Besides, when all else fails, READ the help files. They've been around a long time.

    Lol! There's a thread here recently on the Snippet tool. A few of us (including me) were trying to figure out the problem, when lo and behold someone posted that it was in the help file. Go figure.
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  6. #56


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Well, I had my first 'play' with an Android tablet today. A neighbour of my in-laws (who is 80+ years of age) has an Acer Iconia A200, which she just uses to play games, and her daughter had visited her and did things to it that set up apps that required internet access. The old girl didn't know how to get rid of these from the main screen, so my wife brought it home for me to look at.

    I have to say, it was the easiest thing in the world to sort out. It took just a few minutes to find the settings control, hunt up the offending apps (one being Google+) and disable then from showing up on the main screen and starting. I played around with the tablet briefly to get a feel for it and, seriously, this is how a tablet based just on apps should work.

    What I found most impressive was that once you were in the settings menu, everything was available at your fingertips (literally, as that's all I used). This is completely the reverse with what I've experienced with Windows 8 and the stupid way things are buried in the system. WiFi, Bluetooth, security etc; all controls were available on the one screen, on a side panel, and all you had to do was select one and the controls would open next to it.

    If the Windows 8 start screen had been designed this way, I would have applauded it. As it is, it's a cluster, especially for someone who doesn't have a lot of technical knowledge.
    You answered your own question. Android is an os that is based solely on apps. It is impossible to mess up the device by screwing around with the settings.

    Windows is a much more complex operating system with much much more settings. You could seriously screw up the OS through the settings. If you don't believe me, just let me be alone with your PC for 5 minutes and see what I can do to it. I promise you, I can make you not able to ever connect to the internet again. Or I can do a whole host of other things that will make the common user cry.

    This is why there's really no devastating android virus out there. Yes, there are some questionable apps, but when they get found out all you have to do is uninstall them. Unless you're messing with the bootloader, you could never really totally mess up your android device. Again, give me 5 minutes alone with your PC and see what happens. What's that? You don't want your taskbar anymore? I'll make sure no amount of settings changes will ever bring back your taskbar. I got a program that does just that.
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  7. #57


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    this is how a tablet based just on apps should work.
    Seems clear to me.

    No idea why you are twisting that into an advert for 8.

    I spoke to friend last night - she use her iphone for everything. She has a windows laptop, but never turns it on.

    Hard to say how many people are fine with just their iphone/galaxy or android/ipad, and have no desire whatsoever to run windows programs.

    Could be tens or hundreds of millions.

    There is clearly a challenge for MS.
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  8. #58


    Posts : 474
    Win 8 (64) : Win 7 (64) : Vista (64) : Android JB 4.2 : iOS 6


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Perhaps I should have mentioned that it should be on an empty desktop, for Alt/F4 continues to close apps/programs. Therefore, one should save files and close programs before doing so.
    Grrrrr..........
    I second the motion... Grrrrr.... (I was working on a 3D model).....
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  9. #59


    Posts : 21
    Win 8 Pro 64 bit


    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMike View Post
    Hey Hippsie Gypsy,
    Great tip about ALT + F4 !!!!!! Why does Microsoft keep such things so secret?
    It's no secret, it has always been there. I used it since Win 95
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  10. #60


    Quote Originally Posted by sajara View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MisterMike View Post
    Hey Hippsie Gypsy,
    Great tip about ALT + F4 !!!!!! Why does Microsoft keep such things so secret?
    It's no secret, it has always been there. I used it since Win 95
    Even power users miss certain features that have been there forever. For example, if you press control key and roll the scrolling wheel on your mouse, the webpage will zoom in or out. I always thought this was obvious. I know this one guy that prides himself in being a techie. He's a developer by trade. And he claims to know everything there is to know about windows. Anyway, when I showed him this last year, he was amazed. Before that, he had no idea you could zoom in and out the webpage by doing that.
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