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Windows 8 six months in: Thoughts from a power(less) user

  1. #41


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    One sociologist and one psychologist equals three disturbed individuals.

    And why is someone who criticises some aspect of Windows 8 called a H8er, or hasn't taken the effort to learn, is a Luddite etc?

    When someone who simply wants the option of using something that works, not remove the new, they are generally disparaged by those who shun the old.

    Kari, your subtle putdown of those who see things differently hasn't gone unnoticed.
    Some clarifications needed, I see.

    First, at least I have never called an anti 8 advocate as a hater. Talking about anti 8 users or advocates I however find not only "politically correct" but also quite a neutral definition. If you feel better I can start using something more neutral term. Would "Windows users who do not like the version 8" cause less distress?

    Second, I have never had nor do I have anything against users who will continue use XP or Windows 98 or whatever. Quite an opposite, I really think everyone is entitled an opinion and has right to use whatever feels good. Trying to tell and show how some things could be done easier with a newer version is hardly hatred or anything negative.

    Last, I have never "putdown" another member only because he/she sees things differently. I am against giving wrong information and telling half truths to justify a case so yes, I might occasionally use quite a harsh language to criticize that; it serves nobody's interests to spread lies and untruths.

    I would like ask you to do me a personal favor: Please help me to learn how to behave. Show me a post where I have "putdown" another member who has presented undisputed facts. Show me a post where I have called someone a hater. Show me a post where I have bashed or otherwise negated another member simply because his/her opinion has not been as mine.

    Respectfully,

    Kari
    Hi there
    @Kari -- I for one have always valued your posts - especially on some of the more obscure features of Virtual Machines.
    Honestly though it's not worth getting into tizzies even if you are 100% in the right -- just ignore them. The REAL people on these Forums know who to trust and respect --and you are definitely ONE of that group.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #42


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    Kari

    I wasn't saying that you personally were calling people names etc, I was being rhetorical on the points/examples that you were making and how things pan out, in general, on this forum. You are a Windows 8 advocate and thus see things differently to those who have reservations and issues with Windows 8.

    However, some of your examples and anecdotes can be very easily interpreted as a putdown of those who have a differing view of the world. Your examples and anecdotes allude to people being simpletons or stuck in yesteryear as the world changes.

    The issues about Windows 8 raised by myself and others are quite different to the examples that you give, be it views on XP or European development. We're now talking about issues raised by people who have been using Windows 8 at least since its release in Oct and often well before that. The opinions that they express are not those of Luddites or nut cases, but they are often opinions that others don't want to hear.
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  3. #43


    Been using Alt+F4 for years to close programs and web browsers. Mostly to close a browser after an unsafe looking popup appears.

    I always use Alt+F4 to close programs on the Metro side of 8 because I forget about dragging the window down.

    Ctrl+F4 will only close the current tab in your browser.
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  4. #44


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    We're now talking about issues raised by people who have been using Windows 8 at least since its release in Oct and often well before that. The opinions that they express are not those of Luddites or nut cases, but they are often opinions that others don't want to hear.
    Exactly. People are entitled to like 8 if they want. I don't see how being called a lover of something is in any way an insult.

    If I am referred to as a theatre lover, it pleases me.

    Of course, there are a few on the net who want to bash anything MS - there are also a few who want to bash anything Apple, etc. They do exist.

    There are aslo the so called Apple fanboys - now we are getting 8 fanboys, I don't recall that with windows before.

    Those are the ones who are giving the lovers/supporters a bad name.
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  5. #45


    Geez. When I started driving at 13 with my first job back on the farm the ignition switches (on/off) were on the dashboards. Sometimes in the late 70's or early 80's they started to place them on the steering columns. That was so difficult to learn!

    I don't know about anyone else, but when I'm on a hunt to find an item and find it, I usually remember where to find it the next time. Given two or three times I'll really have it down pat for sure.

    MS saw fit to move items around due to touch centricity, which is the new market demand. Hot corners, Charm bars, and that new fang dangled slide out "open apps/programs" menu (or whatever it's called) are the new ways of navigation. How on God's blue planet is this so difficult to learn and use with any input peripheral on any machine or device is beyond my comprehension.

    Is 8 perfect? Not by any means. Nothing is. I find it to be a great attempt on their first try as the market has changed. It's a rather radical change yes, but as in the past, things will only get better.

    Disclaimer: This statement is only my opinion as it stands now. It may change at any given time. How others decipher it is their business. All replies are certainly welcome.
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  6. #46


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    You get the usual imbecilic sub-teen response often saying "Delete Tiles" -- but these idiots who are so full of themselves and haven't a clue what people are saying much less understand the problem -- but you have to remember that this might be easy for us but to someone who say just wants to use photo shop or Office isn't usually clued up about what tiles can be safely deleted.
    This is funny ...

    Why not write a letter to Microsoft explaining to them that you know better and you think the general public is stupid and cannot figure this out. Tell them that you listen to their complaints and that Microsoft doesn't have a clue. Explain to Microsoft that you have all the answers and that they should listen to you.

    An unpin is not a delete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    You get the usual imbecilic sub-teen response often saying "Delete Tiles" -- but these idiots who are so full of themselves and haven't a clue what people are saying much less understand the problem -- but you have to remember that this might be easy for us but to someone who say just wants to use photo shop or Office isn't usually clued up about what tiles can be safely deleted.
    This is funny ...

    Why not write a letter to Microsoft explaining to them that you know better and you think the general public is stupid and cannot figure this out. Tell them that you listen to their complaints and that Microsoft doesn't have a clue. Explain to Microsoft that you have all the answers and that they should listen to you.

    An unpin is not a delete.
    He doesn't have to, the general public and enterprise has spoken loudly....by not buying Windows 8 in droves...and MS has admitted there are big problems with it because of their decision to return the start button and default boot to desktop.
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  8. #48


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    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    ... because of their decision to return the start button and default boot to desktop.
    Speaking to The Verge, sources claim the button’s return will allow users to access the Start Screen,
    though it won’t include the traditional Start Menu.
    Windows 8.1 Will Bring Back the Start Button | TechnoBuffalo

    Boot to desktop already happens in Windows Server 2012 with a GUI. It defaults to the server dashboard.
    Although, with server, there are passwords that must be entered.
    Server 2012 also has no store or apps. Everything is desktop but still runs off of the WinRT shell with a GUI.
    Without a GUI, it's just a command prompt. No metro at all.
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  9. #49


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Wasn't this on the discussion block say, oh, about at least once a month. Just love it when something that finally ran it course a month or two ago is brought back as sometime new and wonderful to talk about; especially when all the hate stuff starts to disappear off the front page of the "News Forum.". . .
    I agree, but it chalks up as "Parallel Development" - One guy at ZDnet posted this maybe, 4 months ago, then someone at Cnet did 2 months ago, all without reading the original rants. Now this guy does it - Its the same way Trigonometry got developed by two different inventors all thinking along the same lines.

    And this guy, well he is not coming out and saying flat out "Windows 8 Sucks" - He actually likes it, and he'll keep using it.
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  10. #50


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I have to comment about the shut down thing in Windows 8. It's interesting because it shows how people will interact with devices JUST because of what they are. With PCs, apparently one MUST go to Start, and hit shut down to shut down the PC. On a phablet or smartphone, to shut down, one must hold the power button and slide something. To sleep, just hit the power button. On the PC, you go to Start, and hit Sleep or maybe close the laptop lid. On modern devices that are mobile, there really isn't a single piece of software UI that is used to control those power settings. But on the older PC, we're still doing that in the way of Windows 95 whereas you literally can hit the PHYSICAL power button on the PC to shut down or to sleep. After thinking about this, this is SO weird when this becomes about laptops, because they have the button right there under your face, yet it is never used other than to resume the PC from sleep or to turn it back on. There seems to be this rigid tradition with Windows that 8 has fleshed out. On tablets however, even with Windows 8 on, turning the PC off is the same way as other tablets and smartphones: hit the physical power button. On a laptop that is also mobile like the tablet, use the UI to sleep or shutdown. See the strangeness there? It actually doesn't make sense to me.

    And personally, part of the design on my new desktop tower will ACTUALLY be a power button that is used as much as a modern mobile device. If you tap the button piece from the front, it will shut down as usual. Tap it from the top of the piece, it will go to sleep. I sleep my PC a LOT throughout the day, as I find it genuinely pointless to do a cold shutdown. Rigid tradition ruined right there.

    Yes, I think I see this and agree with it - My iPhone never gets shut down. I can reboot it, but I have to do certa8in "hidden things" to do it, or, I jailbnroke it and installed an actual set of BUTTON on the Springboard which gives me the choice of "Safe Mode/Respring/Reboot/Shut Down.

    Because if Windows 8 is to be for devices too, then it will normally stay on all the time, just go into Sleep more after 3 minutes, like I have my iPhone set to do.

    Now, for computers all the way back to XP - I do it all with the power button, which I assign to HIBERNATE, which is my default Power Button choice. I can make my computers sleep by hitting the sleep button on my keyboards. Except on the cheap Dell keyboards I like to use that I got for 2 bucks at salvation army.


    Think about it, how do you use a device? How do you use a Computer? I use my iPhone AND my computers in much the same way - They stay ON 24/7. Now my iPhone gets futzed up and needs to be rebooted just like my Computers do - And as long as I know how to do it, I'm fine. The most dangerous button for a PC would be a hard-reset button, I have one on my Tower. Developers used to have this Hard Reset button as large and available as the regular Power button. But in the Mid 2000's, the OEMs began either hiding the reset button in a pencil-point sized hole, or, they took it out completely, so now, you'll never see a Reset button on an OEM computer.

    They are treating the OS the same way, the power options are there, but now they are hiding them in a "Pencil-point" sized hole called Alt-F4.
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