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Windows 8 six months in: Thoughts from a power(less) user

  1. #11


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Wasn't this on the discussion block say, oh, about at least once a month. Just love it when something that finally ran it course a month or two ago is brought back as sometime new and wonderful to talk about; especially when all the hate stuff starts to disappear off the front page of the "News Forum.". . .

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  2. #12


    Posts : 138
    Windows 8 Pro


    Because its SOOOO hard to make a Shutdown tile
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  3. #13


    Posts : 76
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    Because its SOOOO hard to make a Shutdown tile
    Ya, give the average consumer a fresh 8 install - and when they ask how to shut it down - tell them that. See if you get off that easy. Obviously that's what you "don't get". The average person just wants to shut it off, not have to google making a shutdown tile.

    "how do i shut down windows 8" in Google = 67,900,000 results....it shouldn't be that difficult.

    The Charms bar only has about what, 6 inches of wasted space - surely another 56px icon/shortcut for powering down could've been afforded...and it would've been much more obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Wasn't this on the discussion block say, oh, about at least once a month. Just love it when something that finally ran it course a month or two ago is brought back as sometime new and wonderful to talk about; especially when all the hate stuff starts to disappear off the front page of the "News Forum.". . .
    Redundant? If you don't like complainers or their complaints - then don't contribute to it.
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  4. #14


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    This about how many clicks it takes to restart is once again one of those small shameless lies used to negate and bash Windows 8. By default it takes 3 clicks to restart Windows 7 and 3 clicks to restart Windows 8, two if you do Win + I first.

    Before someone responses that "But in Windows 8 before you can make the first of those three clicks you must bring the pointer to the corner to open charms!", I just want to remind you that in Windows 7 you have to bring the pointer to a corner to be able to click Start.

    I have not joined these discussions as I find it useless, like this well know imaginary gentleman from La Mancha fighting the windmills. Is there something wrong in me because I find Windows 8 both nice, fast and easy to use? Please keep in mind I have no touch screen devices except the mobile phone. No, I am talking about Windows 8 on a normal laptop or desktop. Also, I am not talking as a normal home user who needs PC and Windows only to surf the net, email and games. No, I am talking about my use of Windows 8 both as a heavy duty geek in private life and professional use of Windows 8 working in a company which among other things is developing tailor made Windows 8 in a stick (Windows ToGo) systems for business use.

    It is so extremely easy to find anything on my PC now with Windows 8. For newbies I recommend you try to learn to use Win + Q, Win + W and Win + F keyboard shortcuts and learn their difference, and you have no more need to desperately seek your hard disks. Basically Windows 8 is nothing else than a revamped Seven; not counting the Start button, everything else is there. It runs same software PLUS additional Windows Apps, it can mount an ISO image natively, first time in PC history a normal OS includes an advanced virtualization platform with no additional cost (Hyper-V, available in Pro and Enterprise).

    It is funny to read these comments about how a feature should be natively included in Windows 8, that it is a failure because this or that feature is only available through a third party tool. Most often these comments come from users who have Windows 7 filled with third party tools, Daemon or similar to mount ISOs, Rocketdock to get "nicer" buttons, Rainmeter skins because they are not happy with the default Windows themes, and so on.

    I am 54 years old. I've done this all my adult life. I left the world of Windows mid 90's for Unix and Linux as I needed something Windows was not capable to give me. Windows XP brought my interest back, Seven took me totally back to Windows and Eight confirmed it: Windows is my operating system. Flexible, easy, fast, reliable.

    Thank you Microsoft.

    Kari
    Last edited by Kari; 01 May 2013 at 01:21. Reason: Typos
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  5. #15


    Posts : 76
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    This about how many clicks it takes to restart is once again one of those small shameless lies used to negate and bash Windows 8. By default it takes 3 clicks to restart Windows 7 and 3 clicks to restart Windows 8, two if you do Win + I first.

    Before someone responses that "But in Windows 8 before you can make the first of those three clicks you must bring the pointer to the corner to open charms!", I just want to remind you that in Windows 7 you have to bring the pointer to a corner to be able to click Start.
    While I see your point the number of clicks etc., to me personally the number of clicks doesn't matter. Shutdown is located in a illogical spot. Under "Settings"?? in the same spot actual settings are... It could've been placed right on the charm bar in the wasted space like I said earlier, and no one would've wondered. At least the button was in a logical spot when it was located in the Start Menu. I don't use it in either place and never have - but I can understand some of the confusion.
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  6. #16


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by symbiont View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sashlon View Post
    Because its SOOOO hard to make a Shutdown tile
    Ya, give the average consumer a fresh 8 install - and when they ask how to shut it down - tell them that. See if you get off that easy. Obviously that's what you "don't get". The average person just wants to shut it off, not have to google making a shutdown tile.

    "how do i shut down windows 8" in Google = 67,900,000 results....it shouldn't be that difficult.

    The Charms bar only has about what, 6 inches of wasted space - surely another 56px icon/shortcut for powering down could've been afforded...and it would've been much more obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Wasn't this on the discussion block say, oh, about at least once a month. Just love it when something that finally ran it course a month or two ago is brought back as sometime new and wonderful to talk about; especially when all the hate stuff starts to disappear off the front page of the "News Forum.". . .
    Redundant? If you don't like complainers or their complaints - then don't contribute to it.
    I am so "Sorry" to insult you in that manner. From now on I will be really careful not to insult "You" again. . .
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  7. #17


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    This about how many clicks it takes to restart is once again one of those small shameless lies used to negate and bash Windows 8. By default it takes 3 clicks to restart Windows 7 and 3 clicks to restart Windows 8, two if you do Win + I first.

    Before someone responses that "But in Windows 8 before you can make the first of those three clicks you must bring the pointer to the corner to open charms!", I just want to remind you that in Windows 7 you have to bring the pointer to a corner to be able to click Start.

    I have not joined these discussions as I find it useless, like this well know imaginary gentleman from La Mancha fighting the windmills. Is there something wrong in me because I find Windows 8 both nice, fast and easy to use? Please keep in mind I have no touch screen devices except the mobile phone. No, I am talking about Windows 8 on a normal laptop or desktop. Also, I am not talking as a normal home user who needs PC and Windows only to surf the net, email and games. No, I am talking about my use of Windows 8 both as a heavy duty geek in private life and professional use of Windows 8 working in a company which among other things are developing tailor made Windows 8 in a stick (Windows ToGo) systems for business use.

    It is so extremely easy to find anything on my PC now with Windows 8. For newbies I recommend you try to learn to use Win + Q, Win + W and Win + F keyboard shortcuts and learn their difference, and you have no more need to desperately seek your hard disks. Basically Windows 8 is nothing else than a revamped Seven; not counting the Start button, everything else is there. It runs same software PLUS additional Windows Apps, it can mount an ISO image natively, first time in PC history a normal OS includes an advanced virtualization platform with no additional cost (Hyper-V, available in Pro and Enterprise).

    It is funny to read these comments about how a feature should be natively included in Windows 8, that it is a failure because this or that feature is only available through a third party tool. Most often these comments come from users who have Windows 7 filled with third party tools, Daemon or similar to mount ISOs, Rocketdock to get "nicer" buttons, Rainmeter skins because they are not happy with the default Windows themes, and so on.

    I am 54 years old. I've done this all my adult life. I left the world of Windows mid 90's for Unix and Linux as I needed something Windows was not capable to give me. Windows XP brought my interest back, Seven took me totally back to Windows and Eight confirmed it: Windows is my operating system. Flexible, easy, fast, reliable.

    Thank you Microsoft.

    Kari
    Good points, and Thanks for them. . .
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  8. #18


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
    Posts : 1,452
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by symbiont View Post
    Shutdown is located in a illogical spot. Under "Settings"??
    OK, I understand your logics: Having Shutdown (close, end) in Start (begin) is not illogical?

    Quote Originally Posted by symbiont View Post
    At least the button was in a logical spot when it was located in the Start Menu. I don't use it in either place and never have - but I can understand some of the confusion.
    My point exactly. Most of the complaints of something missing or being in a wrong place come from users who are in any case not using the Windows native solutions.

    Not knowing what method you use to shutdown Seven, what's the difference between that said method and creating a Shutdown tile or shortcut in Windows 8?

    Kari
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  9. #19


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by symbiont View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    This about how many clicks it takes to restart is once again one of those small shameless lies used to negate and bash Windows 8. By default it takes 3 clicks to restart Windows 7 and 3 clicks to restart Windows 8, two if you do Win + I first.

    Before someone responses that "But in Windows 8 before you can make the first of those three clicks you must bring the pointer to the corner to open charms!", I just want to remind you that in Windows 7 you have to bring the pointer to a corner to be able to click Start.
    While I see your point the number of clicks etc., to me personally the number of clicks doesn't matter. Shutdown is located in a illogical spot. Under "Settings"?? in the same spot actual settings are... It could've been placed right on the charm bar in the wasted space like I said earlier, and no one would've wondered. At least the button was in a logical spot when it was located in the Start Menu. I don't use it in either place and never have - but I can understand some of the confusion.
    Not sure how long you have been working with Windows OS's. The ALT-F4 key as been used to shut down, put to sleep, or restart for the different Windows OS's for at least twenty years, thus if you have been around that long then it is something that should come normal to you. . .just saying it is not all that hard regardless if sixty-seven million had to Google to find out how.
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  10. #20


    Posts : 76
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    I am so "Sorry" to insult you in that manner. From now on I will be really careful not to insult "You" again. . .
    Huh? This makes little sense in the context of what I said. But OK.
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