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Surprise! Windows tablet market share jumps to 7.5%

  1. #21


    Quote Originally Posted by Lomai View Post
    I get the Linux CLI (aka Terminal/Shell) issue but what was the comparison on 8 and RT about?

    Did you ever get to use Vista pre-SP1?
    My comparison is support. I ditched RT because it doesn't get the support that it needs. 2 samsung and 1 MS tech guys didn't know a driver compiled for windows 8 wouldn't work on RT. They thought RT and 8 were the same thing. And this was in March of this year, months after 8 and RT were released. How can RT get the proper software support that it needs if people don't even know it's not the same as 8? That was my point.

    Same goes with linux. No support.

    About vista pre sp1, yes I tried it and went back to xp the next day.

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  2. #22


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    The point is iOS, android, and linux developers from my observation are not very aware of the most common but very important things. Windows developers seem to be way way more responsive. One app, for example, on windows 8 had a camera bug. I emailed the dev, got a response within the hour, and he came out with an update to fix it the next day. That versus the 11 months I waited for an android developer to fix a bug.
    Well, thats understandable, in linux world most things are free, and developers are more like 1-2 men army than a big companies, so there is nothing, that would make them to work, and programs level is just like students homework.
    In apple world, bugs are features
    And in ms world big money wander, and developers are more serious.
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    I would be surprised if "7.5%" represented actual human beings entering a store and buying a device. Sorry, call me skeptical....
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post

    The point is iOS, android, and linux developers from my observation are not very aware of the most common but very important things. Windows developers seem to be way way more responsive. One app, for example, on windows 8 had a camera bug. I emailed the dev, got a response within the hour, and he came out with an update to fix it the next day. That versus the 11 months I waited for an android developer to fix a bug.
    Personal experience does not in anyway justify the conclusion that something is "great" and "the best". It only justifies personal satisfaction. I had some wonderful experience with some tech support too but that's because some people are great in doing their jobs not because the OS I chose is great. App developers does not necessarily work with the OS company. These are third party small time company who rips people off most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post

    The point is iOS, android, and linux developers from my observation are not very aware of the most common but very important things. Windows developers seem to be way way more responsive. One app, for example, on windows 8 had a camera bug. I emailed the dev, got a response within the hour, and he came out with an update to fix it the next day. That versus the 11 months I waited for an android developer to fix a bug.
    Personal experience does not in anyway justify the conclusion that something is "great" and "the best". It only justifies personal satisfaction. I had some wonderful experience with some tech support too but that's because some people are great in doing their jobs not because the OS I chose is great. App developers does not necessarily work with the OS company. These are third party small time company who rips people off most of the time.
    I'm curious as to what motive you have to quote mining me. The part where I said windows 8 was great and the best also included a part where I specifically said it was my opinion. The subsequent details in later posts were just sharing my experiences in other devices.

    Take android for example. Myself along with many others who have been trying to use android in an office setting have been complaining to google that most of the short keys that are vital to document editing and communication like ctrl+v and ctrl+c just don't work since android 3.0. We are now at android 4.2. Google has added a bunch of features since then. But something as simple as copy and paste are still not here. If I wanted to share a link with you, I can't. I've been having to manually type out long links. A week ago I sent out my only windows machine to HP for warranty claim. So, been having to use my android hybrid.

    Another example is the web browser. Sometimes, it just hangs. Doesn't force close. Doesn't do anything. Just becomes unresponsive. My friends (who are developers) and I have been complaining to the android team about this bug since 3.0. We are now at 4.2 and we're still getting responses like "we will be fixing it soon". And this is coming from google android team, not some backwoods developer from China.

    Across several ipads and several generations of ipads, what bothers me the most is that iOS crashes a lot. At first, I thought it was my imagination. Then a study by an independent organization that proved iOS devices crashes even more often than android.

    But hang on a second, you would say. Most people think iOS is more stable. The reason is this. When everything else crashes, you get an error message saying something has crashed. Apple has designed iOS to not show any message when somehing has crashed. It's annoying. We've been complaining to apple about this since the first ipad came out. Not a single response.

    With linux, I completely understand why it's got little to no support. I really do. Everything is open source and free. That said, the support and bug fixes are even worse than android and iOS.

    My friends and I have been using all these devices side by side and have concluded that with the exception of the number of apps available, windows 8 is better in every other aspect. What complaints we've been having will be fixed in windows 8.1. If this had been google, apple, or anyone else, it would be fixed several generations later.

    People can bash windows 8 devices all they want because of a stupid start button that is a manufactured issue. People should use all the other oses side by side with windows 8 across over a dozen devices. And do it in practical settings.
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    People can bash windows 8 devices all they want because of a stupid start button that is a manufactured issue.
    Yes. And those who have any sense are doing so.

    You are right, it is an issue manufactured by MS. A deliberate and cynical attempt to force the start screen full screen at users. It is their ad billboard.That is why they removed the start menu.


    People should use all the other oses side by side with windows 8 across over a dozen devices. And do it in practical settings.
    a) I think you would find at least some of them would go for Ubuntu if they actually did that. Not all - some have specific needs for Windows programs, some (like photographers ) want/need macs. But windows would definitely lose some customers.

    b) There is no need to use one os across different devices. Right now, plenty are very happy with e.g. a win 7 laptop, and an android/iphone. Some might not even need the laptop at all - any phone/cheap tablet is fine.

    No necessity whatsoever for one size fits none properly.
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  7. #27


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    People can bash windows 8 devices all they want because of a stupid start button that is a manufactured issue.
    Yes. And those who have any sense are doing so.
    A rather bold statement to make don't you think? In essense what you're saying is that since some don't bash MS with some issues and agree on them, then therefore they have no sense. That's an absolutely wonderful thing to state.

    You are right, it is an issue manufactured by MS. A deliberate and cynical attempt to force the start screen full screen at users. It is their ad billboard.That is why they removed the start menu.
    Not an issue manufactured by MS whatsoever. Most did not use the Start Menu. Most used the Taskbar for launch, which continues to exist. Data from the Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP) shows this. Other surveys as well. Designing the Start screen There's links galore on that thread. That, to me, wipes out your adjective of "cynical".

    Deliberate, yes. A much needed launch pad for touch centric UI that works just as well will traditional perpherals, if not better IMO.

    "It is their ad billboard" is a strange way of looking at it to me. Do they desire to sell apps via their Store? Yes. Just as others are. When I open the Bing app and some other apps there is some adverts, but so do other company's apps. What's the big deal of MS getting into the Store app business? No one's forcing anyone to buy anything or look at adverts. Personally I glimpse at an advert just as on a web page and if not interested, I simply pass it up.

    Guess what? If one doesn't like the Store app > Right click tile > Choose unpin > Poof > Gone. Same with any tile. In fact there doesn't need to be any Store app tiles on the "billboard" at all. They could all be desktop Win32 program tiles.

    People should use all the other oses side by side with windows 8 across over a dozen devices. And do it in practical settings.
    a) I think you would find at least some of them would go for Ubuntu if they actually did that. Not all - some have specific needs for Windows programs, some (like photographers ) want/need macs. But windows would definitely lose some customers.
    Win some, lose some. They all do. 8 won't break MS if it fails (and that's a big IF) any more than bad press with Vista, which in the end was a good OS given the correct hardware.

    b) There is no need to use one os across different devices. Right now, plenty are very happy with e.g. a win 7 laptop, and an android/iphone. Some might not even need the laptop at all - any phone/cheap tablet is fine.

    No necessity whatsoever for one size fits none properly.
    Another bold statement. There are plenty of users, especially non-technical ones, that will find this quite useful IMO. Familiar across all devices. Techies, geeks, enthusiasts, or whoever on this or other related forums are but a very small minority of computer users.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post

    No necessity whatsoever for one size fits none properly.
    And yet I've been having a one size fits all properly for a couple months now. A few months back, I was burglarized and they took my i7 desktop. So, I started to use my 11.6 inch win 8 tablet/laptop hybrid the hp envy x2 all the time. I recently bought another monitor, usb keyboard, and usb mouse. So, at home I just plug this machine into my 24" monitor and the 2 input devices. So, when I'm on the move, this laptop works great for me working with documents, communication, and calculations. When I'm at home, I use it as my desktop. When I'm in my bed or in the early morning, I use it in its tablet form to do some readings or watch videos. It's been 4 months since I lost my desktop, and I haven't had the need to get another one.

    Ok, I admit that it was just prograstination at first that prevented me from getting another desktop. But over time, this setup has worked wonderfully for me. I've even been working on a windows 8 app myself. Still trying to decide if it's worth it to upload it in the winstore.

    The point is most users don't care that there is a start menu or not. This is a completely manufactured issue created by a hand full of people who don't like change.
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  9. #29


    You are 100% right in that most do not care I think for a start button.

    Being forced to boot to metro page, different issue all together.

    People who don't like change, lmao. What a lame argument bud.
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  10. #30


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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post

    The point is iOS, android, and linux developers from my observation are not very aware of the most common but very important things. Windows developers seem to be way way more responsive. One app, for example, on windows 8 had a camera bug. I emailed the dev, got a response within the hour, and he came out with an update to fix it the next day. That versus the 11 months I waited for an android developer to fix a bug.
    Personal experience does not in anyway justify the conclusion that something is "great" and "the best". It only justifies personal satisfaction. I had some wonderful experience with some tech support too but that's because some people are great in doing their jobs not because the OS I chose is great. App developers does not necessarily work with the OS company. These are third party small time company who rips people off most of the time.
    I'm curious as to what motive you have to quote mining me. The part where I said windows 8 was great and the best also included a part where I specifically said it was my opinion. The subsequent details in later posts were just sharing my experiences in other devices.

    Take android for example. Myself along with many others who have been trying to use android in an office setting have been complaining to google that most of the short keys that are vital to document editing and communication like ctrl+v and ctrl+c just don't work since android 3.0. We are now at android 4.2. Google has added a bunch of features since then. But something as simple as copy and paste are still not here. If I wanted to share a link with you, I can't. I've been having to manually type out long links. A week ago I sent out my only windows machine to HP for warranty claim. So, been having to use my android hybrid.

    Another example is the web browser. Sometimes, it just hangs. Doesn't force close. Doesn't do anything. Just becomes unresponsive. My friends (who are developers) and I have been complaining to the android team about this bug since 3.0. We are now at 4.2 and we're still getting responses like "we will be fixing it soon". And this is coming from google android team, not some backwoods developer from China.

    Across several ipads and several generations of ipads, what bothers me the most is that iOS crashes a lot. At first, I thought it was my imagination. Then a study by an independent organization that proved iOS devices crashes even more often than android.

    But hang on a second, you would say. Most people think iOS is more stable. The reason is this. When everything else crashes, you get an error message saying something has crashed. Apple has designed iOS to not show any message when somehing has crashed. It's annoying. We've been complaining to apple about this since the first ipad came out. Not a single response.

    With linux, I completely understand why it's got little to no support. I really do. Everything is open source and free. That said, the support and bug fixes are even worse than android and iOS.

    My friends and I have been using all these devices side by side and have concluded that with the exception of the number of apps available, windows 8 is better in every other aspect. What complaints we've been having will be fixed in windows 8.1. If this had been google, apple, or anyone else, it would be fixed several generations later.

    People can bash windows 8 devices all they want because of a stupid start button that is a manufactured issue. People should use all the other oses side by side with windows 8 across over a dozen devices. And do it in practical settings.
    Hi there

    What Android devices miss is the ability to run a Virtual machine -- then you could run your favourite Windows apps in an Office too.

    (Might be a bit extreme running a Virtual machine on a smart phone - although connected to a decent keyboard and monitor it could work -- the new Samsung S4 has an 8 way processor more than enough CPU power to do the job decently !!).

    Samsung S4 here offers Exynos 5 Octa eight-core processor !!!!!!!. I have to ask though why on earth do you need that much OOMPH in a PHONE. though. You aren't I hope running NASA's Mars Rover missions with two thumbs on a greasy screen on your phone out in the middle of a busy street. !!

    Since Android is essentially a version of Linux it shouldn't be a major problem to possibly re-compile the VMware workstation or player Linux package to run. Then once in your Virtual Windows machine you just logon to the company VPN or LAN -- JOB DONE.

    Any aspiring developers out there -- contact VMWARE or ORACLE (VBOX) and see if they can pay you to get Virtual Machines to work on Android devices -- some of the more powerful tablets easily have enough CPU "OOMPH" in them to run a virtual machine especially if it was just running a simple app like connections to a company LAN or VPN -- and you'd make a BOODLE OF DOSH.

    I've also worked at some sites where people have used Macbooks with something I think was called either "Bootcamp" or "Parallels" -- I'm not a Mac user so I don't know exactly what software these guys were using - but it ran Windows perfectly as a Virtual machine.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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