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'Ransomware' tricks victims into paying hefty fines

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    I'm using another antivirus based on my experience with Windows 7. Do you think it's a resource waste in Windows 8? Should I trust Defender as a solo AV? I really like Avast, but sometimes it sucks making some file operations unacceptably slow... especially under high load !

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  2. #42


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    . . .just another dead horse. . .
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  3. #43


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorA View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    @ All

    Coke is better than Pepsi.

    BTW, your article speaks of MSE, not Defender in 8. And do you really think one source is reliable?
    I think Windows Defender in Windows 8 is the same as Microsoft Security Essentials.
    Hi there.

    Defender is different for it is written at kernel level according to what I read.
    Thanks for the information. I was just going by my experience when I tried to download MSE from microsoft site got message was already on my computer and just had to be turned on. I went ahead and used Kaspersky Internet Security that came free with the computer from Costco. Appreciate your info in any case.
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  4. #44


    South Coast NSW, Australia
    Posts : 615
    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    I use a combo of Windows Defender and Malware-Bytes Pro. Seems to work well, at least I haven't had a problem so far.
    But no anti-virus program is of any use unless you keep it up-to-date, and actually run it occasionally.

    Wenda.
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  5. #45


    Arnhem, The Netherlands
    Posts : 1,412
    Windows 8.1 Pro x64 Media Center Edition


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    But no anti-virus program is of any use unless you keep it up-to-date, and actually run it occasionally.

    Wenda.
    I second that motion there!!!

    In my honest opinion there is no 1 AV program that works perfectly. It all comes down to a mix of a) an AV utility, b) think before you act, c) maintain your pc and that includes regular updates scans etc.


    ps. I don't drink Coke or Pepsi....I'm a tea addict . Can we start a tea flame war
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  6. #46


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    AV Wars Episode... lost the count.

    Let's be honest, even the fastest computers out there: once online and with bad AV or multiple AV combinations will run slower that you expect them to. Defender is basic but works pretty well: when you copy files, they get scanned so the copy operation is slower (might say between 30% to 50% in some cases, SSD's don't feel it I guess) but this is way worse on Norton that seemed to be a big resource hog when I used it. Once I had BitDefender but always finding false-positives and with boot degradation of 50s each time, I don't use it anymore.

    Even if some of these AV's latest versions rock to some, to me they don't rock, they ARE rocks feeling heavy on my OS.
    Depends what sites you visit but to me a minimal defender works.

    Despite the slowdowns a decent protection is essential.
    Everyone uses what they think is best.
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  7. #47


    Posts : 146
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Der Snoober View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    But no anti-virus program is of any use unless you keep it up-to-date, and actually run it occasionally.

    Wenda.
    I second that motion there!!!

    In my honest opinion there is no 1 AV program that works perfectly. It all comes down to a mix of a) an AV utility, b) think before you act, c) maintain your pc and that includes regular updates scans etc.


    ps. I don't drink Coke or Pepsi....I'm a tea addict . Can we start a tea flame war
    You have not got a clue regarding an opinion as to which AV prog is best any more than I have.
    Leave it to the experts ie- the two named AV testing sites who are not employed by any AV companies.
    They work completely independently and make their money by selling this information to computer periodicals, newspapers and companies, and are recognised universally throughout the world as the real experts.
    Hopefully this will put an end to all the so called posters on this forum giving their so called expert opinions.
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  8. #48


    Orbiting the Moon
    Posts : 2,975
    Windows 10 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    Hopefully this will put an end to all the so called posters on this forum giving their so called expert opinions.
    If you only keep looking at charts you'll loose the grip...
    Also test things for yourself and use what best suits you: are you pleased with the performance?

    I've checked av-test and then cnet following three good products (I don't give any names, check for yourself).

    They forgot one line: the performance and stats of an 'unprotected' system without any new AV, which was very well mentioned on cnet (basically no AV or with Defender on Win8).

    Here's why I won't be buying AV's from this year on:
    Click image for larger version

    Even the most performant ones have 50% boot and usage slowdown. I've already said that but this time with proof.

    Buy what you like.
    As a home user, some new product won't convince me anymore. End of story.
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  9. #49


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Oh Ghod I have had dealing with this exact virus. The question is how is it delivered, popup.under? page click? fake download from sendfile?

    I download a lot of files from sendfile personal things friends share with me, usually images or old programs I'm asking for. they only stay up long enough for me to download then are deleted.

    I've seen this happen a few times, there is a Captcha for any legit sendspace download. After that, it directs you to a page from where you can download the file. What I noticed was the file I downloaded was named exactly what my source said it would be, but the file extension would be EXE instead of the usual RAR. At first I thought they were sending me a self extracting RAR, but I held off. The file contained Zoomex or other of the billions of Virii I have to avoid.

    What happens is, somehow the download link is appropriated, and you download this virus instead. The download page is an exact duplicate of the actual Sendspace page.

    I finally got wise to this when my Malwarebytes started blocking the pages, when I checked on actual link, it was not really a sendspace page, it was from somewhere else. This has been happening a lot lately so I always double check all downloaded files.

    Search! It is some kind of search engine hijack. Somewhere in between clicking the link I was send and the actual page, I was redirected to the fake page. Because I also noticed that clicking the link again brought me to the real sendspace page and the subsequent download was the right file.
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  10. #50


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Quote Originally Posted by dipper View Post
    I'm a computer tech and with all viruses we remove the hard drive and slave it to antother machine. We then scan the hard drive with a variety of antivirus and malware scanners. Once done we put it back int he machien and again run scans which generally then pickup the various registry entries.
    Hi there
    As a computer Tech - I'm surprised you would even THINK of using AV removal software -- there are only two 100% safe ways and that is EITHER restore the defective OS from a CLEAN image OR Re-Install from scratch. You would have the expertise (and the time) to do this even though some typical users wouldn't be able to do it themselves.

    I'd also for each Boot on the customers machine issue a warning -- HAVE YOU TAKEN A BACKUP YET and keep issuing that message until a backup has been performed.

    In any case all those people who also quote from magazine articles about the effectiveness of AV product 1 vs AV product 2 etc should remember that all those statistics are TOTALLY OUT OF DATE by the time they are published -- a new infection could appear AT ANY TIME rendering the previous results and statistics TOTALLY AND UTTERLY USELESS.

    Windows defender for Windows 8 is built in to the kernel --it's based on MSE but is NOT identical -- and it works probably just as good as any of the other 3rd party stuff out there - and probably better.

    Remember also that a lot of those rubbish AV statistics are based on Windows 7 which is also 100% IRRELEVANT as far as Windows 8 is concerned.

    In any case people use computers in totally different ways so it's almost impossible to quantify a "General Risk". - I've been using PC type computers for nearly 40 years, have "done Torrents" etc and have NEVER had a computer infection -- so the best defence is still undoubtedly YOU the USER.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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