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  1. #51


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Windows Phone from day one has ALWAYS been, put people first.
    I've never understood what this statement means. Perhaps you can explain it to me. I've seen you use it a lot, but I just don't follow you.

    And if Windows Phone is putting people first, what are iPhones and Androids putting first?

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  2. #52


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    Jimbo
    W7 had its faults as well - in particular that HUGE HIDEOUS menu which seemed to take half your screen space and you couldn't re-size it.
    I haven't got one of those in 7. Is there something missing from mine?

    Is that a typo, did you mean the huge hideous menu in 8 that takes up the whole screen?
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  3. #53


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    Quote Originally Posted by geeve420 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post


    That's also the thing about Windows Phone, it's not android, it's not ios. It's in between features and customization. The idea Microsoft is running on is having a PC and a Windows Phone, preferably a tablet PC. android is best suited to living on your smartphone, ios is best suited to be the fashion device as well as doing a LOT of internet consuming. Windows Phone from day one has ALWAYS been, put people first. Windows Phone 8 changed that to put people and the things YOU care about first. It's odd how we care more about apps than we do people that the apps are used to even communicate with them. So on and so forth.

    That sounded like a PR transcript and I disagree! The WP8 platform is pure consumption. If my Mom, Wife or a Customer send me a video via email or MMS I can't save it to the phone. I can't connect to my company VPN, I can't download a file other than PDF or office, to use on a workstation later. The RDC offerings in the store, even the pay ones, either don't work with Home editions, or don't support Mac or Linux. I do have customers that don't use windows Pro or windows at all. Without customers, I have to really worry about the people and things I care about. ALL of these things can be done with both iOS and Android. Apps are important to what makes a smartphone smart. They are what keep us connected to what/who we care about.

    I wouldn't say it's in between the two when it can't do half of what the others can. To be in between, it would need to at least cover half of the stuff a buisness user needs. It fails there too. It is not about the number of apps, but the quality. Live tiles do nothing for this at all....

    Geeve
    What smartphone isn't pure consumption?

    I don't need to save videos to my phone, connect to VPN's or need some other Office software. That's me.

    Apps are questionable as to why a smartphone is smart, just look at the top apps on all the platforms and tell me most of them are smart. Instagram? Yeah, let me put a pee filter on this high resolution digital image. Facebook? There are dozens of facebook apps on every platform, and they ALL do the same bloody thing. Windows Phone has that basically built in and functions more "smartly" than ios or android. What really made the smartphone smart is simple internet browsing. Apps just came along to provide games and better more proper forms of mobile web sites, or sometimes a smartphone form of a utility. Windows Phone isn't feature rich or feature poor. There are things that normal everyday people don't care about, like connecting to VPN's, that's more of an enterprise thing that Microsoft probably should change. Things like RDC, never met a human being or let along seen a physical human being do such. I might though...

    Speaking of quality over quantity, that's mostly the Windows Phone Store, you just need to know which ones are. Metrotube is a supreme example, literally the BEST youtube app I've ever seen on any platform hands down. And no, live tiles DO make a HUGE difference, especially with internet consuming. The things I have pinned to my Start Screen, half of those aren't even opened as the live tiles show my that relevant information at a glance.
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  4. #54


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Windows Phone from day one has ALWAYS been, put people first.
    I've never understood what this statement means. Perhaps you can explain it to me. I've seen you use it a lot, but I just don't follow you.

    And if Windows Phone is putting people first, what are iPhones and Androids putting first?
    android and iphone put apps first and foremost. ios was designed a bit ago to make grouping apps together, and developed the first app store. The thing about android has been a ton of free apps. ios has the top apps. Apps for everyone. The UI design is a static glossy icon grid that has been the same concept since Windows 3.1. It's bland, it's boring, it does nothing to make me feel like there is a connection to the people I know other than seeing a blue facebook icon. Even ios recently in the latest revision of 6, it included a sharing feature that was cookedish throughout the OS, but you STILL need to have those apps installed to share to facebook or twitter for example. That isn't an innate feature of the platform.

    Windows Phone on the hand, has social media built in. First few minutes of having one in your hands, you can get signed into your Facebook account, and that's it. You go to the People Hub, all your facebook friends are in it, as well as the news feed. Go to the Photos Hub, you can actually see pictures people have posted, just the pictures. You can go to friend's wall and see what images they've uploaded and their albums. Something you want to share? Literally just a tap away. This is ALL done within the OS, without an app. It's that "feeling" of putting people first on your phone that counts here. On ios 6, when you download the facebook app to share to facebook (Windows Phone ripoff) it asks you if you want to include your facebook friends into your contacts app. This wasn't like this two years ago, where the traditional setup was that you have apps to do literally every task. Want to see a particular facebook friend's post? Open the facebook app. Need to call that friend? Use the contacts app. Need to see the weather this weekend? Open the weather app. Need to know what song is playing on your phone? Open the music app up again. Got an email from someone? Open the mail app since you can tell who or what it is from or what it's about. Got a text message from someone? Open the messaging app since you can see or tell who sent you a message other than a number count. Want to see what the Spanish word of the day is in your translator app? Open the translator app since you can't see what it is from the icon. Need the current stock index prices? Open the stocks app since you can't see anything about them other than an icon.

    It's this cohesive bringing together of information and social media is really how Windows Phone puts people first. Along with that, the live tiles also bring the things you care about first. If you go through my Windows Phone, you can get a notion of what I care about, I have certain people I care about most, I'm a huge email user, I care about photography and music, I'm slowing trying to learn other languages, I care about the news, I like to cook, I care about certain stock prices. With ios or android, you wouldn't know something like that about a person, as it's just app icons. I don't know what all the top apps and their icons look like, so I wouldn't know what something like Pinterest is or what Reddit is or if that person uses that content quite a bit. On Windows Phone, you'd see live tile with new content flipping through to show what is within that app.

    Honestly, you need to know people and use a Windows Phone as that is just the best way I can describe this to you. Nokia has a trial program for their Lumia handsets.
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  5. #55


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Jimbo
    W7 had its faults as well - in particular that HUGE HIDEOUS menu which seemed to take half your screen space and you couldn't re-size it.
    I haven't got one of those in 7. Is there something missing from mine?

    Is that a typo, did you mean the huge hideous menu in 8 that takes up the whole screen?
    Make the start menu in 7 to be as large as it can, it will take up a good one third of your screen space. Depending on how much you have installed, you STILL will have to scroll through the All Programs list, as making it larger doesn't make it feel so cramped.
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  6. #56


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    So first you say that iOS is a fashion statement and only good for internet consupmtion, then you are saying that is what WP8 is best at?! Seems to me that iOS has not only consumption but enterprise figured out, as does Android. So what exactly does WP8 offer that the other two don't?

    You're missing the point of what I am trying to say. Of course samrt phones are consumption devices by nature, but what smart phone can't do the things I am pointing out? WP8 is the only one! If I was like my wife and just used it for social, email, pics and vids, then yes it is a great OS and solid. But it seems that a whole demographic of buisness users are left outside. They want people on their eco system but neuter the buisness end of the spectrum. Though you don't use VPN, or see the need in saving videos to your phone so you can back that stuff up, or have a need for RDC (I use it to give support remotely, as does the IT group at my company) doesn't mean there aren't folks who do or that you can just dismiss it as not important.

    It seems the Apple and Google have already realized that these people do exsist. The things I am poiting out have been around for years, at this point should be basic. Would it not make more sense to cover both ends of the spectrum and let the user decide how to use thew device? Consumption or Enterprise.....

    As far as live tiles go, they are by default widgets. which in turn is an app. They are just baked into the OS instead of having to add them.

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  7. #57


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    Quote Originally Posted by geeve420 View Post
    So first you say that iOS is a fashion statement and only good for internet consupmtion, then you are saying that is what WP8 is best at?! Seems to me that iOS has not only consumption but enterprise figured out, as does Android. So what exactly does WP8 offer that the other two don't?

    You're missing the point of what I am trying to say. Of course samrt phones are consumption devices by nature, but what smart phone can't do the things I am pointing out? WP8 is the only one! If I was like my wife and just used it for social, email, pics and vids, then yes it is a great OS and solid. But it seems that a whole demographic of buisness users are left outside. They want people on their eco system but neuter the buisness end of the spectrum. Though you don't use VPN, or see the need in saving videos to your phone so you can back that stuff up, or have a need for RDC (I use it to give support remotely, as does the IT group at my company) doesn't mean there aren't folks who do or that you can just dismiss it as not important.

    It seems the Apple and Google have already realized that these people do exsist. The things I am poiting out have been around for years, at this point should be basic. Would it not make more sense to cover both ends of the spectrum and let the user decide how to use thew device? Consumption or Enterprise.....

    Geeve


    As far as live tiles go, they are by default widgets. which in turn is an app. They are just baked into the OS instead of having to add them.
    See, if that's something that was heavily needed, it would be there already. I'd imagine the Windows Phone Blue update could put that in there, if that was a needed feature.

    I do not use my Windows Phone as a backup media, if a video were to be saved, it's being done on my PC. The storage space on my phone is limited.

    Then again, Windows Phone has been around for just shy over two years, so it's got things to figure out. On one hand, adding certain features for certain users that are a small niche can't always be justified. If there is no point into having something like VPN only for a certain usage group, why have that as a feature for everyone else that will never use it? But really, I wouldn't say android is best suited for enterprise unless you hermetically seal off the google play store as what took Windows 15 years to accomplish took android just a mere few. I don't trust android security, I do Windows Phone 8. What Windows Phone offers the enterprise is of course Office, the fact is it a Microsoft product so an already Microsoft enterprise can easily incorporate it. It can't be hacked that easily or be used for custom ROMs, as it uses Secure Boot and BitLocker encryption. I think the iphone at last check is being used in the enterprise over android, I'm guessing for those certain things pertaining to security.

    As for live tiles, yes they're an app, yes they act in a way like a widget; but they're more useful than having to switch around them. They act like gadgets in Windows vista and 7, whereas in 8 the live tiles don't. They refresh automatically, while some widgets on android have to tell you to wait while it's loading new content. Kind of defeats the purpose, in that essence, a widget is just an open app...
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    This is another one of those useless threads that does not really contribute anything.

    We have long established that some of use are pro Windows 8 and some are dead against Windows 8. And then there are a few (like me) that are not sure yet.

    The kind of arguments that are being discussed here do not help either group. And any posting that has more than 100 words most people do not read anyhow.
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  9. #59


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    If it's not needed then why include it in iOS (which is taking over Enterprise) or Android? It's there because people do use it...

    So your going to save a texted video on your PC of your Family? Not going to happen with WP8. Not unless you email it to yourself, then get on a pc and downlod it. or open it on the phone then send it to Skydrive, then pull it back down. That is a really round about way of doing something simple. You don't see the need in saving videos of family that live really far away?

    What harm is it having it there if you don't use it? Just don't use it. How many folks do you think use these features on iOS and Android? For some reason someone, somewhere decided to add them just in case. The problem is, if you start to single out certain groups, then eventually you yourself are stuck with a niche market, not a feature rich eco system.

    I know it is a young start but, for a company that prides itself on it's buisness use, they sure did leave them out to dry is all I am saying

    Geeve
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  10. #60


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Windows Phone on the hand, has social media built in. First few minutes of having one in your hands, you can get signed into your Facebook account, and that's it. You go to the People Hub, all your facebook friends are in it, as well as the news feed. Go to the Photos Hub, you can actually see pictures people have posted, just the pictures. You can go to friend's wall and see what images they've uploaded and their albums. Something you want to share? Literally just a tap away. This is ALL done within the OS, without an app. It's that "feeling" of putting people first on your phone that counts here. On ios 6, when you download the facebook app to share to facebook (Windows Phone ripoff) it asks you if you want to include your facebook friends into your contacts app. This wasn't like this two years ago, where the traditional setup was that you have apps to do literally every task. Want to see a particular facebook friend's post? Open the facebook app. Need to call that friend? Use the contacts app. Need to see the weather this weekend? Open the weather app. Need to know what song is playing on your phone? Open the music app up again. Got an email from someone? Open the mail app since you can tell who or what it is from or what it's about. Got a text message from someone? Open the messaging app since you can see or tell who sent you a message other than a number count. Want to see what the Spanish word of the day is in your translator app? Open the translator app since you can't see what it is from the icon. Need the current stock index prices? Open the stocks app since you can't see anything about them other than an icon.
    Ok, I see where you are going with this. I guess I just don't find it all that compelling. I honestly don't want all of my social media stuff tied together. For example, I have the facebook app on my Android, and I believe by default it added all of my facebook friends to my contacts automagically. When I opened my contacts and saw like 400 people, I was like WTF happened, did things get duplicated. So, I went and figured out how to exclude facebook from populating my contacts...because honestly many facebook friends are not honest to goodness friends that I am going to call up or need to text message.

    So for me, I don't mind opening the facebook app to do facebook stuff, and I don't mind opening up the Amazon MP3 player to do music stuff. I actually prefer having it this way.

    The above is one of the things that has always concerned me about tablets and such, is the fact that with one logon account to the device, you have access to email, pictures, facebook, etc. I might want my kids to be able to surf the web, but I might not want them opening my email to see that I ordered them something from Amazon.com.

    It's the same reason that I don't use my Windows 8 box with my MS account and don't have Skydrive integrated, etc. I just prefer to keep this stuff separate and disparate. I realize not everybody wants it this way.
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