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Sorry Microsoft, but consumers just don't like you....

  1. #41


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    Quote Originally Posted by legacy7955 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I Paul Allen.... unfortunate that he never stayed at Microsoft to become an actual successor after Gates.
    Perhaps now is the time to get him at the helm.

    MS in my view needs a visionary more than ever. Allen is just the kind of quirky, intelligent, savvy, and yes visionary guy that could help redirect the company. He has a personality that is a better, nicer version of Steve Jobs.

    Redmond needs to get back to their innovative seat of the pants roots that they were when they started.
    Hells yes...

    Unfortunately but fortunately, he and Bill Gates are one in the same as they are focused on charity work nowadays.

    I would had preferred Sinofsky as CEO over Ballmer quite honestly. He's pretty smart, not an idiot, not an old couch, and rather controlling of details. He'd had made a pretty decent CEO I'd think.

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  2. #42


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    Quote Originally Posted by Enigma View Post
    @ Coke Robot: The problem with being a fanboy of anything is that you love it to the extreme, which can make ppl shortsighted, they often fail to see the shortcomings of whatever it is. I do believe ppl should be passionate about their beliefs/opinions/etc, but I also believe in being able to stand back and try to look at things from as many sides as possible. And sometimes, just maybe, you come to realize that a belief you previously held was either incorrect, or you revise your standpoint, etc. I have an informal background in philosophy and religious studies, I learned early on the values of being as objective as possible and considering multiple points of view.
    Oh seriously, give me something about how Microsoft has taken Windows Phone and parts and bits of Windows 8, I will sound like a H8er in an instant. I was just thinking about how awful Xbox Music is on Windows 8, but how it is the best feature of Windows Phone 8 as they literally just rebranded the Zune Player in 7 and added some UI tweaks. Perfect. Xbox Music? Instead of taking the Zune Software and PROPERLY adapting it for Windows 8, they just dropped the ball and it has taken THIS long just to get a semantic jumplist view to get to artists that start with the letter T.

    Believe you me, I do consider other's standpoints and perspectives. I find it interesting how others view things, and how others will differ, and then find what a proper common ground can be.
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    I must be odd or weird or something. ... just read that story from top to bottom. ... there must be a tech culture that I do not belong to. Perhaps because I am retired and not socially active. For one thing, I see no dichotomy between the metro and the desktop. To me, it is all one package. Why weird? ... have no use for a smartphone, ... just saw an advert for a $250 phone, the contract is about $1000 per year with data, texting, and other features. My phone costs $25 bucks and $4 per month. No use for Xbox. I don't play games.
    NO IPhone or IPod or tablets or laptops or ultrabooks or wireless anything. What's an Android?
    So what is wrong with me liking a phone UI on my one and only computer?
    Last edited by mdmd; 24 Apr 2013 at 22:53. Reason: out of touch with new tech
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  4. #44


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    400 million copies of XP
    88 million copies of Vista
    450 million copies of Windows 7
    100 million copies of Windows 8

    I guess the consumer doesn't like Windows.
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  5. #45


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    1.5 billion views of Psy's - Gangnam Style!

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  6. #46


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    400 million copies of XP
    88 million copies of Vista
    450 million copies of Windows 7
    100 million copies of Windows 8

    I guess the consumer doesn't like Windows.
    Hi there

    Stats like those without any explanations are just meaningless and without stating the source of that information their provenence is highly dubious as well.

    XP for instance -- How many YEARS. W8 How many YEARS. Extrapolating even your own figures in 12 years say at the rate of growth W8 has had would have sold over 1200 Million copies . It's not going to happen of course and W8 in its current form won't last anything like 12 years either. (If you can't work that out I can recommend loads of Statistics 101 Courses).

    We are also in a relatively POST PC market -- where whatever people say on this Forum the PC is essentially gradually fading from the scene as an everday piece of technology to be found in almost every home in the developed world. PC's will continue of course but in SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER volumes than in the past so raw figures on the number of copies of Windows or any other OS is MEANINGLESS.

    BTW have you just checked the recent performance of APPL (Apple stock) recently -- It's drifting around the 52 week low down to around 400 USD from over 700 USD. OK the company won't go bust yet as it still has nearly 100 BILLION DOLLARS in the Bank - but investors can't see what its future income stream will be as the iPhone and tablet market is also saturated.

    Ms stock on the other hand is just a smidgen off its 52 week HIGH so go figure what the Markets think.

    Note I'm not always 100% pro W8 -- There are quite a lot of things wrong with it and I hope most of them get fixed but it's nothing like as bad as some people make it out to be. Confusing and irritating to set up - especially for non technical users - yes and that's what Ms need to address. They also need to get to grips with application installers so every wretched .EXE file doesn't create a tile as well.

    W7 had its faults as well - in particular that HUGE HIDEOUS menu which seemed to take half your screen space and you couldn't re-size it.

    IMO the best menuing system was on XP where you could select SMALL icons etc - but in any case a classic menu system isn't FOR SOME PEOPLE (not everybody though) always the best or easiest way of arranging your work on a computer either.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7. #47


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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    400 million copies of XP
    88 million copies of Vista
    450 million copies of Windows 7
    100 million copies of Windows 8

    I guess the consumer doesn't like Windows.
    Hi there

    Stats like those without any explanations are just meaningless and without stating the source of that information their provenence is highly dubious as well.

    XP for instance -- How many YEARS. W8 How many YEARS. Extrapolating even your own figures in 12 years say at the rate of growth W8 has had would have sold over 1200 Million copies . It's not going to happen of course and W8 in its current form wont last anything like 12 years either.

    We are also in a relatively POST PC market -- where whatever people say on this Forum the PC is essentially gradually fading from the scene as an everday piece of technology to be found in almost every home in the developed world. PC's will continue of course but in SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER volumes than in the past so raw figures on the number of copies of Windows or any other OS is MEANINGLESS.

    BTW have you just checked the recent performance of APPL (Apple stock) recently -- It's drifting around the 52 week low down to around 400 USD from over 700 USD. OK the company won't go bust yet as it still has nearly 100 BILLION DOLLARS in the Bank - but investors can't see what its future income stream will be as the iPhone and tablet market is also saturated.

    Ms stock on the other hand is just a smidgen off its 52 week HIGH so go figure what the Markets think.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Personally I cannot see any reason as to why the PC should not gradually reduce in numbers. The tablets, whether they be fruit company, android or windows based are in reality fulfilling folks requirements - e-mailing, social networking, bit of web browsing, etc. They only bought a PC/laptop in the first place to do those jobs so something simpler is ideal.

    For 'serious' stuff then the desktop/laptop is essential imo. When my current under the desk unit expires then I'll probably replace it with a laptop and hook it up via HDMI to the external monitor. Who knows though, maybe there will be a tablet around which will do the same job but I doubt it - we'll see.

    Talking APPL, it wasn't that long ago that an 'expert' analyst forecast the fruit company price to rise to in excess of US$1000 - he/she must have had a motive for trying to drive the price up. There is so much cheap money sloshing around looking for a 'home' that the funds are driving up values especially in stock that they have confidence in.
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  8. #48


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    Hi there
    OK OT but even with cheap money sloshing around looking for a home Investors don't want to WASTE it. Certainly stocks in some cases could be over valued - especially with most Banks paying a paltry 2 - 3% if even that.

    Ms currently doesn't depend on Sales of Windows at all to STILL be a profitable company -- although without Windows Ms would be like Fish'n Chips without the Chips.

    Ms has a lot of interesting developments in the consumer area it's working on -- these won't be out tomorrow but some of these products will make a decent impact. Ms is also heavily into the software side of Robotics and that area is going to become HUGE -- as well as Nano technology -- the medical implications of this will be a whole "Species Changing" event.

    Ms in a few years will morph into the sort of Exciting company like the old IBM and its Brilliant Labs was. - Don't get rid of your Ms stock just yet because of a few glitches with W8.

    PC's will of course stay around for a long long time but in smaller (much smaller) volumes.

    Even with the 100 Billion Dollars plus the Fruit Company has in the Bank won't save it in the long term if it doesn't produce anything "Snazzy" that people would do almost anything to get hold of.

    People who buy Apple kit want to be seen as "Trendy", "Smart", and in the vanguard of technology. Once Apple becomes a boring old "Also Ran" S&P 30 company no different to other large businesses then eventually it's Game Over for them even if it takes several years as it will with that HUGE volume of cash.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Portable devices will become more intelligent and make everyone's lives easier, but they will still be a very personal device. For anything more serious a robust platform is necessary. PC sales will certainly drop gradually in the following years, but I think that the good old fashioned PC will be among us for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post


    That's also the thing about Windows Phone, it's not android, it's not ios. It's in between features and customization. The idea Microsoft is running on is having a PC and a Windows Phone, preferably a tablet PC. android is best suited to living on your smartphone, ios is best suited to be the fashion device as well as doing a LOT of internet consuming. Windows Phone from day one has ALWAYS been, put people first. Windows Phone 8 changed that to put people and the things YOU care about first. It's odd how we care more about apps than we do people that the apps are used to even communicate with them. So on and so forth.

    That sounded like a PR transcript and I disagree! The WP8 platform is pure consumption. If my Mom, Wife or a Customer send me a video via email or MMS I can't save it to the phone. I can't connect to my company VPN, I can't download a file other than PDF or office, to use on a workstation later. The RDC offerings in the store, even the pay ones, either don't work with Home editions, or don't support Mac or Linux. I do have customers that don't use windows Pro or windows at all. Without customers, I have to really worry about the people and things I care about. ALL of these things can be done with both iOS and Android. Apps are important to what makes a smartphone smart. They are what keep us connected to what/who we care about.

    I wouldn't say it's in between the two when it can't do half of what the others can. To be in between, it would need to at least cover half of the stuff a buisness user needs. It fails there too. It is not about the number of apps, but the quality. Live tiles do nothing for this at all....

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