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Why Windows Blue Start Button Debate Doesn’t Really Matter

  1. #31


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    I happen to like 8. However, there are area's in it they need to fix. 1.Core desktop and modern app's need the same setting's and to be able to communicate with each other. Both version's of I.E. are good example's here. Modern I.E. doesn't even see our Desktop I.E. Favorites that we sorted the way we wanted and have kept them for year's. Mine are in folder's by category and each category/content's is then sorted alphabetically in the Favorites folder. 2.Where's Xbox Music and Xbox Videos customization options at ? They don't have volume control, srs wow effects, equalizer, etc. Windows Media Player has them. 3.Why can't Task Manager show History for desktop program's? P.S. That's just pointing thing's that should've been fixed soon after release.

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  2. #32


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    One may opt to disable these apps which will render the start screen environment totally useless and unnecessary. Windows 8 is a big joke.
    The start screen environment is quite robust. The start screen yields access to all apps via hot keys.
    It is important to consider all factors involved rather than focusing on the metro.

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    I totally undertstand. 100% agree. But hotkeys are not common to many users. These are like hidden commands. As someone mentioned before, big businesses will have to shed out $$$ to RE-TRAIN people to use the Win 8 UI. If say apps are disabled due to reasons I've mentioned before, what is the use of a big blank start screen with "hidden commands"? It's a head scratcher. One can laugh all he wants, but most people are more productive if things are right in front of them.
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  3. #33


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    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    ... But hotkeys are not common to many users. These are like hidden commands. As someone mentioned before, big businesses will have to shed out $$$ to RE-TRAIN people to use the Win 8 UI. If say apps are disabled due to reasons I've mentioned before, what is the use of a big blank start screen with "hidden commands"? It's a head scratcher. One can laugh all he wants, but most people are more productive if things are right in front of them.
    That's true, which is why I am not opposed to the start menu, whether free install, other means, toolbar, or provided by Microsoft. My point about the blank start screen, and you are right, it is a head scratcher, is not about hot key commands or hidden features.

    It is about what one can do when looking at it. It is different than all previous start menus provided by MS which is why I like it. It (the start screen) has a similar capability to the start menu search results but is full screen and therefore is easier to access from my point of view. I press a key, go up or down with the arrow, or use a mouse pointer and press enter. No sideways scrolling is required, no large tiles, and everything is alphabetically sorted. No need to search through nests. Of course this is my personal preference. It has nothing to do with Win + D or Win + E or Ctrl + Tab or such controls.

    I use it all the time. In addition, websites, documents, favorites, or anything can be added to search results if copied to the correct location. It is not as easy as the traditional start menu, but I like it because it is different and easier for me to see.

    If I am looking at my blank start screen, pressing a thru z or 0 thru 9 brings up the results I need. No keyboard commands. Enter a letter, select a listing, then press enter ... (enter 8, press enter to the forums) - a tile would be easier. a (for amazon.com) - b (for best buy) - c (for control panel, the C drive or computer) - d (for desktop) - n (Netflix) - w (for weather) - of course some of these are available with Win + X but single key search for everything else.

    Let's say e (for excel), or e (for event viewer or file explorer), I could go on all day...
    Administrative tools can be listed in all apps just as in the start menu, they don't need to be on the start screen.

    The start menu is also backward compatible with older installers and is better for many program listings.
    I can see where someone can easily say the metro is broken. I like a challenge.
    The average home user could not handle or be happy with how I work.
    Adding a start menu option would have been a huge plus for Microsoft and the customers.

    The classic shell and others do a fine job. I think they (start menus) interfere with how I work just as others think the metro interferes with how they work. If the classic shell and others can block the metro, the edges, and boot to desktop, problem solved. I understand the controversy and annoyance.

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  4. #34


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    ... But hotkeys are not common to many users. These are like hidden commands. As someone mentioned before, big businesses will have to shed out $$$ to RE-TRAIN people to use the Win 8 UI. If say apps are disabled due to reasons I've mentioned before, what is the use of a big blank start screen with "hidden commands"? It's a head scratcher. One can laugh all he wants, but most people are more productive if things are right in front of them.
    That's true, which is why I am not opposed to the start menu, whether free install, other means, toolbar, or provided by Microsoft. My point about the blank start screen, and you are right, it is a head scratcher, is not about hot key commands or hidden features.

    It is about what one can do when looking at it. It is different than all previous start menus provided by MS which is why I like it. It (the start screen) has a similar capability to the start menu search results but is full screen and therefore is easier to access from my point of view. I press a key, go up or down with the arrow, or use a mouse pointer and press enter. No sideways scrolling is required, no large tiles, and everything is alphabetically sorted. No need to search through nests. Of course this is my personal preference. It has nothing to do with Win + D or Win + E or Ctrl + Tab or such controls.

    I use it all the time. In addition, websites, documents, favorites, or anything can be added to search results if copied to the correct location. It is not as easy as the traditional start menu, but I like it because it is different and easier for me to see.

    If I am looking at my blank start screen, pressing a thru z or 0 thru 9 brings up the results I need. No keyboard commands. Enter a letter, select a listing, then press enter ... (enter 8, press enter to the forums) - a tile would be easier. a (for amazon.com) - b (for best buy) - c (for control panel, the C drive or computer) - d (for desktop) - n (Netflix) - w (for weather) - of course some of these are available with Win + X but single key search for everything else.

    Let's say e (for excel), or e (for event viewer or file explorer), I could go on all day...
    Administrative tools can be listed in all apps just as in the start menu, they don't need to be on the start screen.

    The start menu is also backward compatible with older installers and is better for many program listings.
    I can see where someone can easily say the metro is broken. I like a challenge.
    The average home user could not handle or be happy with how I work.
    Adding a start menu option would have been a huge plus for Microsoft and the customers.

    The classic shell and others do a fine job. I think they (start menus) interfere with how I work just as others think the metro interferes with how they work. If the classic shell and others can block the metro, the edges, and boot to desktop, problem solved. I understand the controversy and annoyance.

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    Personally, I have no problem with hotkeys and the head scratcher start screen. I can work around it. But that is not the change I want to see. I like how fast Win 8 is. I like the hybrid shutdown and stuffs like that. Like I said before, MS should have treated tablets/touchscreens & desktop separately and leave Metro stuff on the former. There should be an option to choose from when you first run a Windows 8 system--- "Touchscreen? or Mouse?"... and then boot up to start menu or start screen which ever peripheral you choose.
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  5. #35


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    Hi All:
    My first post here, thought I'd put my two cents in.
    I find the Start screen almost pointless for desktop users with keyboard/mouse and no touch device, but, I have found a way to make good use of that real estate in a functional way that looks great as well.
    First thing I do, usually, when I boot up is put some music on and pinning it all to the Start Screen is a great way to launch it immediately.


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  6. #36


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwin View Post
    Hi All: My first post here, ...
    Hello Edwin. Welcome to the Eight Forums.

    Beautiful Start Screen, nice one. You should post it in the customization section under post your start screen.
    Take a screen shot - Win + PrintScreen or other means.
    Upload it to Post your Start Screen!
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  7. #37


    Melbourne,FL.
    Posts : 187
    Windows 8.1 Pro w/Media Center x64


    As far as Start Screen customization you should check out Stardock Decor8. It let's you pick numerous images for the Start Screen and they change after say 30 minutes just like desktop themes do. It also adds more Lock Screen images. You can only have 1 image selected for the Lock Screen. It's definitely worth the $4.99 they charge for it.
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  8. #38


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    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by brkkab123 View Post
    3.Why can't Task Manager show History for desktop program's?
    Off topic, but not sure what you're getting at here?

    The "App History" tab in Task Manager can be made to include Desktop programs - like this for example...
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    Or did you mean something else?
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