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Why Windows Blue Start Button Debate Doesn’t Really Matter

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    Yeeaahh!! Start Button is coming back (Hopefully)!!

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    We already know that there have been more than:

    - 3 million Start8 downloads

    - 4 million Classic Shell downloads.

    - 1.5 million Pokki downloads

    and who knows how many of the other variants.

    That's a total of at least 8.5+ million people who want the start button back.

    That's 14% of the apparent total sales of Windows 8 licences. That's over 24% if you discount the OEM licences bought for PCs (that have/haven't sold). That's an even greater percentage if you just take into account just the consumer licences that have been sold individually out of the remaining 35%.

    How much more proof is required?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    That's a total of at least 8.5+ million people who want the start button back.
    It has been reported that approximately 100 million copies (licenses) of Windows 8 have been sold.
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    I was curious what time it was in Australia. Is it really around 4 o'clock in the afternoon? You are literally on the other side of the planet. It is a little after 2am here. Signing off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    That's a total of at least 8.5+ million people who want the start button back.
    It has been reported that approximately 100 million copies (licenses) of Windows 8 have been sold.
    Microsoft is very coy about the sales figures, so I'm working on the 60 million that they have reported. Even if it was 100 million, the current information that 65% has gone to OEMs holds true and the percentages would still be high. And whatever the actual sales numbers, the percentages statistically represent a very significant number.

    Yes, it is 4:00 pm here.
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    To me this just means Windows 8.2 will become a reality come end of next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    As has been discussed many times here, the comments made by the author completely miss the point.

    Firstly, why should anyone have to install third party programs to get back what should not have been removed in the first place?

    Secondly, if you can boot directly to the desktop and have the Windows 7 start menu in it's full state, you don't have to learn about charms, swiping, apps and the weird power down.

    That's the whole point of having a traditional desktop with the start button. What is it with these geeks that they can't comprehend such a simple concept?
    You, sir, win a medal!

    EDIT I've read that the supposedly "Start Button" is just a decoy to make the Start Screen appear. If it is so, Windows 7 has beautiful days ahead of it. I don't need a whole shelf covering a whole wall to handle what a 3-drawers shelf can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    We already know that there have been more than:

    - 3 million Start8 downloads

    - 4 million Classic Shell downloads.

    - 1.5 million Pokki downloads

    and who knows how many of the other variants.

    That's a total of at least 8.5+ million people who want the start button back.

    That's 14% of the apparent total sales of Windows 8 licences. That's over 24% if you discount the OEM licences bought for PCs (that have/haven't sold). That's an even greater percentage if you just take into account just the consumer licences that have been sold individually out of the remaining 35%.

    How much more proof is required?
    A download is not proof it is being used. Some people downloaded & tried more than one before settling on one. Or settling on none and going Au Natural through 8 after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    We already know that there have been more than:

    - 3 million Start8 downloads

    - 4 million Classic Shell downloads.

    - 1.5 million Pokki downloads

    and who knows how many of the other variants.

    That's a total of at least 8.5+ million people who want the start button back.

    That's 14% of the apparent total sales of Windows 8 licences. That's over 24% if you discount the OEM licences bought for PCs (that have/haven't sold). That's an even greater percentage if you just take into account just the consumer licences that have been sold individually out of the remaining 35%.

    How much more proof is required?
    A download is not proof it is being used. Some people downloaded & tried more than one before settling on one. Or settling on none and going Au Natural through 8 after all.
    No more so than what Microsoft says about sales of Windows 8 licences. They may have been sold, to OEMs and even consumers like myself (two licences), but they languish unused in machines that haven't been sold, or sold and subsequently upgraded to Windows 7, or they simply reside in someone's PC as a dual boot waiting for Microsoft to see sense.

    It's playing a numbers game and fiddling with the statistics. However, the fact that at least 8.5 million people have downloaded and tried an alternative, is indicative in itself of the degree of discontent. You can't escape that facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    We already know that there have been more than:

    - 3 million Start8 downloads

    - 4 million Classic Shell downloads.

    - 1.5 million Pokki downloads

    and who knows how many of the other variants.

    That's a total of at least 8.5+ million people who want the start button back.

    That's 14% of the apparent total sales of Windows 8 licences. That's over 24% if you discount the OEM licences bought for PCs (that have/haven't sold). That's an even greater percentage if you just take into account just the consumer licences that have been sold individually out of the remaining 35%.

    How much more proof is required?
    Hi there
    Number of downloads doesn't mean number of users -- I've downloaded loads of stuff and then either for one reason or another never installed or having installed just didn't like it and uninstalled.

    I tried Classic shell when I first played around with Windows 8 -- now I I've uninstalled it -- found it more of a hindrance than a real use.

    With custom toolbars desktop short cuts, task bar and knowing a few of the keyboard short cuts I've found I really don't have to bother with the start screen ever if at all after initial boot and for even really intense special "Officy / Engineering" type windows apps I can use Win 8 just as easily or even easier than Win 7.

    A lot of hot air is being thrown around Forums, press etc. People ALWAYS moan when things change --in fact with very few exceptions I actually can't think of a SINGLE PIECE of software that doesn't have its fair share of detractors when a new version is released.

    Actually there is ONE - Photoshop - in spite of the myriad of additions since version 7 (now CS6 many versions later) the interface is still essentially unchanged and incredibly functional).

    Typical examples -- Office 2007 -- people moaned (and still moan) about the ribbon / change from the clean interface of Office XP and Office 2007.

    Office 2013 - people thought even versions of office 2010 / 2007 were an improvement over Office 2013

    Acronis -- the newer interfaces are really HORRIBLE compared with the old releases such as Acronis true image (version 9).

    Nero -- new interfaces - hideously bloated -- Nero 7 was probably the last sensible version

    Windows versions itself - apart from Windows 7 even the now seemingly loved Windows XP was hated at first and called Windows e(XP)ensive and the activation system was prophesised never to work or become so complicated users would never be able to handle it.

    And loads more. I'm sure you all have your own examples where often you wish the newer version of software would look like the old release -- however in most cases you get used to it and just get on with it -- for example I really LOATHE the current interface of Acronis but it works and I haven't found anything that works better for me as an alternative -- and I've tried -- Macrium etc and their new interfaces are horrible too.

    So while Ms might make some adjustments the chances are the GUI will remain more or less as it is now --so you have 3 choices - Use it, add a 3rd party app (we do this all the time anyway even when Windows has a similar feature installed --for example Backup software. Office software - Ms Word in stead of Wordpad etc., or use something else you DO like such as W7, a "Fruit company" machine or Linux.

    Touch whether we like it or not is here to stay and the classic desktop is a diminishing and increasingly unimportant part of Ms's business. Corporates are already locked in and will undoubtedly stay with W7 and who knows or even cares what sort of computing we will be using in the office place by 2020 - even if there is such a place as "the Office" any more.

    I think it's time these threads have run their course -- what would be interesting is for people to find smarter ways of using and customising W8 so it DOES have more appeal than currently. Bringing back a start button or even a Menu isn't the real issue --loads of people I know on W7 still never bother with the menu at all anyway.

    Scrolling endless tiles though on a non touch device is of course a pain -- we don't need every single .EXE file as a tile when a large app is installed.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Last edited by jimbo45; 23 Apr 2013 at 04:06.
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