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Windows 8.1 Start button may not offer actual Start menu

  1. #61


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45
    START button does have a use in Windows 8.1.
    It's irrelevant to me because I don't like and never use Modern Start Screen. And a nuisance because I need it to function to open legacy menu, but it borks StartIsBack, which I paid for and is now apparently redundant in W8.1.

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  2. #62


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    Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1


    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    but it borks StartIsBack, which I paid for and is now apparently redundant in W8.1.
    All fixed now in free update StartIsBack +

    StartIsBack+ Beta 4 - Windows 8 - MSFN Forum
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  3. #63


    Australia
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    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM


    Quote Originally Posted by McRuff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    but it borks StartIsBack, which I paid for and is now apparently redundant in W8.1.
    All fixed now in free update StartIsBack +

    StartIsBack+ Beta 4 - Windows 8 - MSFN Forum
    Hey thanks heaps McRuff. I'm a happy camper again! And will now take advantage of free W8.1. Cheers M
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  4. #64


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    The new start button in 8.1 is pretty useful when I'm in extended desktop on my Surface, but most of the time I don't even notice it's there. That was the only use I had for it. I can see why desktop only users would care, but it doesn't negate the fact that it wasn't detrimental to using 8 before 8.1.
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  5. #65


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Hi there
    some people can make a decent use of it - if you disable the Corner navigation and set the Application screen to appear FIRST when you want to navigate to the start screen.

    A lot of W8 users who have not yet tried W8.1 probably don't realize that there are now TWO possibliliteies of Start screen - the standard horrible METRO one and an application screen. (Plus always remembering boot directly to desktop).

    If you need to get to the application screen quickly and have disabled the corner navigation then the start button actually has a point.

    For TOUCH users or those that still use the standard windows 8 methods of navigation (corners) then the button does seem a bit stupid -- I'd have designed W8.1 that the start button only appears IF you've turned off the corner navigation -- but unfortunately Ms never asked for my input before designing W8.1 !!!!!.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  6. #66


    South Coast NSW, Australia
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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Being able to go directly to All Apps when the Start button is clicked is the go. Much better than the Start Screen, so much so that I hardly ever even see the Start Screen. Set All Apps to sort apps & programs by category and it actually does work quite well as a start menu.

    Needs more customisation options, though.

    I've left the hot-corners active as I do use metro occasionally, but am mainly a desktop person. 8.1 is set to boot directly to the desktop.

    So far, I've found no need to install Classic Shell. I do have the Quick-Launch toolbar activated though, for frequently used programs, as I cannot abide a desktop or taskbar full of icons and pinned programs/apps.

    See below... You'll notice that I have 8.1's built-in Start Menu activated Win 8 also has this (as Jimbo has posted on several occasions). I subsequently deactivated it, but wanted to see if it was still in there.

    Once you get it going without an MS account, and disable all the net-centric crap, it's a truly lovely OS to use.

    Or it will be, once it's de-bugged properly. All Win 8's good bits are still there and in some cases improved, and the re-vamped Start Screen/button/menu setup is just icing.

    Wenda.
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  7. #67


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    @Wenda. I haven't installed 8.1 yet. I'm a little confused by your diagrams. Are you saying you're able to open any desktop progam/app without having to leave the desktop?

    Quote Originally Posted by wenda
    I cannot abide a desktop or taskbar full of icons and pinned programs/apps.
    I presume the first three pics are of your desktop, and the last one the apps screen, not desktop? Aren't you showing pinned icons in the bottom task bar in the first 3 pics, which seems to countermand your statement above ... or am I reading it wrong?

    Are the two quick launch toolbars shown ones you have custom created by adding apps/programs, or a short cut to the Win8 Start Menu, or what?

    In essence it seems the two quick launch toolbars have replaced the legacy alpha numeric cascaded start menu, and jump start menu, in Win7?

    Also in legacy start menu, clicking User name takes you to App/Data, Contacts, Favorites, etc. Has the apps screen replaced this?

    When I need to reload an Acronis image of my OS, which includes all 3rd party apps, but no personal data, to put all my personal data back I simply click User name, then drag/drop all my data from a 2nd internal SATA3 SSD HD into Documents, Favorites, Contacts, etc. And all personal files to empty personal files already pre-created in the backup image which has been reinstalled. Only takes 4 or 5 minutes max as both internal HDs are SATA3 SSDs. I don't have to open any personal files on desktop as the stored data folders in the 2nd HD have the same names as the ones on the desktop, so simply drag/drop the whole folder and it auto places contents in OS folder.

    I don't auto backup my data because it also auto backs up any errors, and doesn't remove any deleted/edited files in the source files. I do it all manually. My data is also backed up to an external USB HD and eSATA HD.
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  8. #68


    Don't see how that application screen can be described as an improvement to the good ol' menu - it's just as Wenda said, it's like a desktop screen filled with icons/shortcuts - that clutter, I have always detested...so the applications screen is definitely not an option for me...I'm sure others would find it useful/amusing though
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  9. #69


    Orbiting the Moon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Don't see how that application screen can be described as an improvement to the good ol' menu - it's just as Wenda said, it's like a desktop screen filled with icons/shortcuts - that clutter, I have always detested...so the applications screen is definitely not an option for me...I'm sure others would find it useful/amusing though
    They do seem to be 'cluttered' in an alphabetical order though.

    Anyway there are a lot of icons there to look at, so using search on the start screen might be faster in getting the program you need running.

    Depends on personal choice...
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  10. #70


    For those who haven't seen this: Designing search for the Start screen

    MS's data shows that less and less we're using the Start Menu as time went on. When users filled up there Taskbar (Quicklaunch) they started plastering shortcuts on the desktop. Not saying all did this, but most. I've seen many a desktop done this way, including mine. Why? I think it to be that cascading menus take too long to navigate through. It seems shortcuts were faster and/or more convenient.

    Now here comes MS trying to develop a touch-centric OS to run across all devices, including the desktop PC. They needed a touch platform on a larger human scale for launching. That's the Start Screen and All Apps screen, but it's really the All Apps screen that replaces the Start Menu. All Apps is quicker to me. It continues to be alphanumeric, but the user can choose any category. BTW, choose a category and it remains that way whenever returning to the screen.

    One can, but I don't think Ms intended for desktop PC users to use touch, for they designed it to work just as well with mouse and keyboard. One has just as many options, if not more, using the Charms bar vs an app menu bar with quicker speed. IMO once learned it is a much better way of navigating. For one, everything is on a larger scale. The second is that its not cascading in the traditional sense. e.g. If one chooses "Settings" it opens to that menu. It cascades in a sense that it opens to the next menu, but more comprehensible and apprehensible IMO.

    As Hopachi stated > Depends on personal choice... Personally, once learned, I get around in 8 and 8.1 quicker than in 7. Admittingly a bigger learning curve, but all in all a much better system to me. Although they sucked at first (only to get better with time) I found that using the basic MS Store apps such as Mail, People, Calendar, Photos, Bing Weather, and the like to be much quicker on the Metro side than using traditional desktop apps. It took a lot more time and resources to get information using desktop apps and Gadgets than the Modern/Metro ones with live tiles. Using "Share" option in the Charms bar is also very useful.

    I made it a point to learn and continue to learn the whole system as it was intended to be used. Now with more options in 8.1 I find it to be even better.
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