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Windows 8.1 Start button may not offer actual Start menu

  1. #41


    Quote Originally Posted by thelastvoice View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ^ Yes, we all use our computers different. Nobody is right or wrong. Where I think most are miffed is the lack of choice. Give me a default way and a choice and I'm cool. Force it down my throat, well then I am not so happy about it.
    How do you not have a choice? I get that visually you might not like the Start Screen/Modern UI, but the basic functionality and features of the Start Menu still exist. There are several ways you can set things up to minimize your use of the Modern UI and you also have the choice of installing one of the many third-party Start Menus available if you really just have to have an old-style, pre-Win8 Start Menu (as well as booting to desktop, etc). Users install third-party utilities all the time to add/change/enhance funtionality and features that they want in Windows. Why should this be any different? Doesn't Classic Shell exist in it's current form because people were mad they didn't have a choice between "Classic" Start Menu and the Win7 Start Menu? How many choices for a Start Menu/Screen does MS have to include to make everyone happy?
    Very well stated. :thumbup:

    I don't know about anyone else, but I didn't have a choice of UI or menu when booting up 95, unless modifying. Same with 98, 98SE, Vista, or 7 of which I used. These were all OSs MS put out to sell and make a profit. That's what they're in business for and to get as much as they possibly can just as any business does.

    That, again, is their intent with 8. They saw fit to introduce a new interface to do so. If one is not pleased, then modify it. It remains possible. Nuff said on this topic already. Geez.

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  2. #42


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    Windows 8.1 Pro x64


    I actually found myself on Stardock's website last night, looking over Start8 and actually considering it. At the very least it may have had something to do with the fact that I listened to Windows Weekly just a few hours earlier when they were discussing it.

    I don't know ... it's tempting, but I'm just not sure I need or want it. There are some aspects of Windows 8 that frustrate me a little, like the fact that sometimes it bothers me that I am not brought back to the desktop if I launch a file that opens a Metro app. But otherwise, I like the Start screen.

    What to do, what to do...
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  3. #43


    Quote Originally Posted by thelastvoice View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ^ Yes, we all use our computers different. Nobody is right or wrong. Where I think most are miffed is the lack of choice. Give me a default way and a choice and I'm cool. Force it down my throat, well then I am not so happy about it.
    How do you not have a choice? I get that visually you might not like the Start Screen/Modern UI, but the basic functionality and features of the Start Menu still exist. There are several ways you can set things up to minimize your use of the Modern UI and you also have the choice of installing one of the many third-party Start Menus available if you really just have to have an old-style, pre-Win8 Start Menu (as well as booting to desktop, etc)
    Understood. It's the fact that I have to use a third party tool to accomplish this that I don't like. In all prior versions of Windows, they included their new start button and it's changes (as the default), with an option to use the "classic style"..which was the way it used to be. You had a choice, right out of the box from Microsoft. They eliminated this as a choice and are forcing users to use the new way or get other software to accomplish the goal.


    Quote Originally Posted by thelastvoice View Post
    . Users install third-party utilities all the time to add/change/enhance funtionality and features that they want in Windows. Why should this be any different? Doesn't Classic Shell exist in it's current form because people were mad they didn't have a choice between "Classic" Start Menu and the Win7 Start Menu? How many choices for a Start Menu/Screen does MS have to include to make everyone happy?
    Yes, I have purchased and installed Start8 to get that functionality back.

    Quote Originally Posted by thelastvoice View Post
    How many choices for a Start Menu/Screen does MS have to include to make everyone happy?
    2 would have worked
    1). metro screen : This is the current default
    2). classic start menu from Windows 7 with boot to desktop.
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  4. #44


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by Corelogik View Post
    Those most likely to keep "Customer Experience Improvement Program" enabled so as to deliver "telemetry" to Microsoft concerning PC usage, are the low information users most likely to NOT use the start menu in the first place.

    Those most likely to use the start menu and its features, are those most likely to disable reporting usage habits to Microsoft and will likely have disabled reporting by the "Customer Experience Improvement Program".

    If Microsoft thinks for one second that they are getting accurate information from this self reporting tool concerning anything even remotely important, they are sadly mistaken and passing around more potent kool-aid than even Apple has in it's cafeteria.

    Maybe this is why the Failure in Telemetry happened - Because most people upon getting a new PC shut that thing off instantly and those who do not maybe hardly use the puter. But it is not a very good system to use to judge what people use and not use - They would have to do hard Polling for that. One thing I DO use, are the little comments boxes in the Microsoft Download Center, I always put my two cents in there.
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  5. #45


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    Quote Originally Posted by msdos622wasfun View Post
    I actually found myself on Stardock's website last night, looking over Start8 and actually considering it. At the very least it may have had something to do with the fact that I listened to Windows Weekly just a few hours earlier when they were discussing it.

    I don't know ... it's tempting, but I'm just not sure I need or want it. There are some aspects of Windows 8 that frustrate me a little, like the fact that sometimes it bothers me that I am not brought back to the desktop if I launch a file that opens a Metro app. But otherwise, I like the Start screen.

    What to do, what to do...
    GET it - It is NOT a waste of money by any means. It's probably one of the better Orb replacements. One thing about it, is that you find out right away that you needed it and your computer navigation goes back the the way it was in 7. It sticks whatever you want to put on it, right there at your fingertips.
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  6. #46


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by thelastvoice View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    ^ Yes, we all use our computers different. Nobody is right or wrong. Where I think most are miffed is the lack of choice. Give me a default way and a choice and I'm cool. Force it down my throat, well then I am not so happy about it.
    How do you not have a choice? I get that visually you might not like the Start Screen/Modern UI, but the basic functionality and features of the Start Menu still exist. There are several ways you can set things up to minimize your use of the Modern UI and you also have the choice of installing one of the many third-party Start Menus available if you really just have to have an old-style, pre-Win8 Start Menu (as well as booting to desktop, etc)
    Understood. It's the fact that I have to use a third party tool to accomplish this that I don't like. In all prior versions of Windows, they included their new start button and it's changes (as the default), with an option to use the "classic style"..which was the way it used to be. You had a choice, right out of the box from Microsoft. They eliminated this as a choice and are forcing users to use the new way or get other software to accomplish the goal.


    Quote Originally Posted by thelastvoice View Post
    . How many choices for a Start Menu/Screen does MS have to include to make everyone happy?
    Yes, I have purchased and installed Start8 to get that functionality back.

    Quote Originally Posted by thelastvoice View Post
    How many choices for a Start Menu/Screen does MS have to include to make everyone happy?
    2 would have worked
    1). metro screen : This is the current default
    2). classic start menu from Windows 7 with boot to desktop.
    Absolutely correct.

    There only needs to be two choices which would satisfy ALL customers. Why does MS continue to deny this fact? Pride, arrogance, ignorance, or perhaps all three?

    Bottom line is that MS could have been the darling of the OS news IF they would have allowed BOTH traditional desktop users and Metro users to have their UI choice as the default boot on start up when you turn the PC on.
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  7. #47


    Australia
    Posts : 45
    Windows Eight


    Pretty stupid to not bring back the Start Menu in my opinion. It's like bringing in something that's half baked, and expecting it to be the royal prize of a cooking show. They should have brought back the Start Menu as well and kept it as an option.

    I don't need the Start button on my task bar, but I do have it enabled so that when I press the start button on the keyboard,it brings up the start menu so I can quickly access programs while I'm exclusively working in the desktop. That's how I use Windows 8 exclusively. I use the Start Modern Screen when I need to access quickly bing news or that or modern ui apps.

    Microsoft dropped the ball this is a half-baked decision, won't do jack crap for people who want a fully fictional Start Menu.
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  8. #48


    Posts : 123
    Windows 8, 2012, 7, 2008R2, 2008, 2003, XP,SUSE


    To take away the start button on the consumer OS is bad but to do the same thing on their server products is just suicide. Have you seen a tablet server yet? Nope and you will never see one so why do we have a UI designed for tablets on a server?
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  9. #49


    I don't understand why they put a Start Button if it doesn't bring the Start Menu... Doesn't make any sens.
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  10. #50


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
    Posts : 3,908
    Windows 8 Pro with Media Center/Windows 7


    A server is intended to serve, to be always running so that workstations can access it whenever. It's rediculous to even consider running a Server OS on a tablet, that is designed for casual use! It'll never be done.

    But even though the idea of a server is to always run unattended, there MUST be a way for access to the databases and other programs which serve the group! ON a user PC? MAYBE we can go without an orb. On a SERVER? It simply has to be there- Or else the whole system needs to be tossed in the trash and the OS it is running.
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