Windows 8 and 8.1 Forums


Maybe They Should Just Call It Windows 7.8

  1. #1


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)

    Maybe They Should Just Call It Windows 7.8


    Windows 8.1 is bringing back some familiar parts of Windows 7.

    Source:

    Let the fun began. . .

      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  2. #2


    Posts : 1,320
    Server 2012 / 8.0


    If their sources are correct, it might happen. I don't care either way.
    It would be good for Microsoft, but I don't want the traditional start menu (will not enable it).
    The stock holders will be glad to see their cut increase.
    Booting to the desktop is irrelevant to me as well, I don't care for it (will not use it).
    My choice is to go immersive, blah, blah, blah and use the file explorer, and other desktop stuff when needed.

    Best of wishes to all, that they will get what they want.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  3. #3


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    If their sources are correct, it might happen. I don't care either way.
    It would be good for Microsoft, but I don't want the traditional start menu (will not enable it).
    The stock holders will be glad to see their cut increase.
    Booting to the desktop is irrelevant to me as well, I don't care for it (will not use it).
    My choice is to go immersive, blah, blah, blah and use the file explorer, and other desktop stuff when needed.

    Best of wishes to all, that they will get what they want.
    Could not agree with you more. The way it looks is that the button will be back (could), albeit it will take you to a Start Screen, instead of a Menu (not sure at this point).
    Last edited by Lee; 20 Apr 2013 at 01:10.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  4. #4


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    If it means going from the Windows CE kernel to Windows NT kernel and leave a pretty new face on top of an old platform? Then yes.

    I think the source from Microsoft said the start BUTTON is to possibly come back due to a upper management decision, not the actual menu. Not sure though as the wording of start button and menu seem to be one in the same thing for some reason....

    In retrospect, if you look at Windows 95, yes it did have a way to get back to Program Manager. In Windows xp, yes, you could make it look like Windows Classic 9x, 2000 basically. But fast forward several years, did that even matter? You can't get back to the Program Manager in Windows 7 or 8. You can't make Windows 8 look like Windows 2000 anymore. Why? Simply because no one is really doing that anymore. There is no need. The changes in 95 and xp allowed the delay of ripping the band aid off so to speak, or simply a crutch.

    What Microsoft did was realize that, and not have that crutch and not to pussy foot around with ripping that band aid off with the radical (this can be debatable) changes. Office 2007 didn't have an option to revert back to a drop down menu system, people initially didn't like it. Does it matter now anymore? No, because got used to it and realized it is better. What seemed risky turned out to be positive. Windows 8 is a tad more dramatic than that, but if history keeps its tendency to repeat itself, same thing will end up happening...

    Although if you ask me, Microsoft did shoot themselves in the foot a couple of times. First was not showing the user after the OOBE screen on HOW to use Windows 8 other than moving your mouse pointer to the top right corner. You can seriously learn how to use Windows 8 with the new Microsoft Touch Mouse drivers, a device that was made for Windows 7 shows you automatically, after installing the drivers for Windows 8, how to use 8 better than the OS did. That is a problem as the main frustration point is the user not knowing what to do, because they were never shown what to do.

    The second was what they pinned to the Start Screen. The default Start Screen in the RTM differed from the Developer Preview's one, the DP had File Explorer pinned to it as well as I think Computer. This should have been done from the VERY literal start. Desktop locations and items should had been there, like the Libraries, Computer, Downloads, maybe Control Panel. So effectively, Start shifted from a small menu to a larger visual menu that has the things the menu had. When you look at the Start Screen at default configuration, it doesn't strike you it's a "Desktop" based OS when in fact, it really is. THAT would be an more effective "crutch" from 7 to 8. There is a change to it, but it's less dramatic as you can see some familiar things on it. In the leaked 8.1 build, there are two new tile sizes. They should take the Desktop tile as HUGE sized, and pin the File Explorer locations as baby tiles under it or just around it. A Desktop group maybe.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  5. #5


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    I love how they threw the Windows Development Team under the bus.

    'And I’ve separately confirmed that this is really happening, with the Start button, in particular, driven by upper management, which overruled objections from the Windows team.'

    Please. Lets not pretend that upper management doesn't call the shots on what does or does not make it into their UI. It stunk of upper management intervention from the get-go.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  6. #6


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Actually, upper management (Steve Ballmer in particular) didn't give a flying app about the changes to Windows.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  7. #7


    Coke robot, many of us who don't like 8 know how to use it. Just because I have learned, doesn't mean I like the change. Luckily for me, I was able to meld it into something workable for myself, many don't have the know how. For many of us, this immersive stuff is just garbage wasting desk space.
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  8. #8


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    What is 'immersive' about Windows 8?
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  9. #9


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    The start button is "Sort of back" in the latest widely available leaked build 9369 but I don't really miss it at all -- I find working with custom toolbars, the desktop and quick launch bar just fine.

    However the GOOD news (and this is probably what will appeal to a lot of W8 detractors) is the possibility of booting directly to the desktop which makes sense for desktop and non touch pc's.

    Note this feature (Direct boot to Desktop) is NOT yet available in build 9369 - or at least I haven't found any configuration tricks to be able to do it although there might be some hidden registry content.

    What the report misses saying though is WILL THEIR BE A MENU -- what will you get when you press the start button.

    My guess would be a MENUIZED version of something like what you get now when you press the Windows + X button together with the shutdown command but we'll have to see.

    (For those users who don't know what I'm saying here just go to the desktop and press Windows + X key). The new version would probably operate as a Classical menu with a tree structure rather than just the Top level commands.

    For those who haven't seen it yet -- screenshot enc of the start button in build 9369 -- this button though is NOT on the desktop but on the Start screen.

    Looking forward to see later builds if they get leaked soon.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails w81a.png   w81b.png  
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

  10. #10


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there again
    Could be conceivably true --- just found this :

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails start.png  
      My System SpecsSystem Spec

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Maybe They Should Just Call It Windows 7.8
Related Threads
I just upgraded our computer to Windows 8, but it crashes during a Skype session. I installed the W8 desktop version of Skype, not the app version. I need the small window on top of the screen, and this is only possible with the desktop version, not with the Windows 8 app version!! I already...
source
Read more at: Microsoft: Don't call it Metro. Call it 'Windows 8' | ZDNet
Silly question perhaps... but presumably you have paid for this domain and such, so what happens if they dont call it 8? what if they go back to stupid names, like i don't know, "Windows Fusion"?
Eight Forums Android App Eight Forums IOS App Follow us on Facebook