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  1. #81


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    Amen to THAT! Haha!

    Myself, I'm a desktop user, but I like futzing with Metro apps. As long as I have a CHOICE I'm fine. But Windows 8 is a kind of transition OS, just like the original versions of OSX and OSX.1. Remember what Apple did? They were not gonna bend in their release of OSX but they did include Classic for a few generations of OSX, to make it easier for people to transition over, and keep access to old apps. But even OS9.2.2 and OSX - are Desktops as is Mountain Lion.

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  2. #82


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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Here: case in Point? Modern File Explorer by paul.tallett:
    A great File Explorer app, gives me access to all of the folders and files on my system- This, is an Impossibility with a non-jailbroken iOS device, and a JB'd device requires you to use iFile to get the same thing, and, it's a 5 dollar app (but worth it)

    I like this app so far, a lot, I got is just a few days ago. I HAVE been searching the Store, there are good apps in there, but you just have to try them out, which is the problem, a lot of them you have to buy, and like everyone else, I won't pay for something unless I KNOW it is something I can use, which is why with iOS there are always Free versions of every app, they allow you to try it out so if you like it, you can get the fuil version.

    (editing Photo to remove incriminating evidence heh)

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    Is that 'app' also available as a desktop application? Because the way they're setup, its really no harder to make that a desktop application, as it would be an app. And if they don't do it, I easily see third party desktop versions of these Microsoft Apps incoming. The biggest thing to remember is the app is a WRAPPER, all of the 'modern interface' design aesthetic works just fine off a desktop application, with few to no code changes.

    Its all just WPF elements in a XAML file ffs :>.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    High rise towers, dams, highwayss, subway systems and the roof you are sleeping in are NOT designed using drag and drop templates and graphic libraries. They are meticulously designed, connections after connections with extreme precision and accuracy. The world is not built by swiping and hand gestures. Halo is a "cartoons". It's not good example to justify your cause.

    I am a structural designer, and I just can't help but smile every time you say these things. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Taking the mouse away will be the same mistake as getting rid of Start Menu.
    I use AutoCAD, or rather I was trained with it. I've tried all of the versions of it since ACAD10c2 which I was running on an old PC XT with Dos Disks. You cannot use it without a mouse, keyboard, AND some kind of tablet designed for the template. I used to use a SummaGraphics tablet. You can't use a touch-screen keyboard for the typing you need to do with that program, especially if you are using or maintaining a library or objects. After using it for a while, you get to the point where you can enter your lines and Plines using the keyboard only. I did my dad's house that way, a two point perspective to extrapolate the floor plan out of. It's been years since I used that program, but it got to the point where I was pretty fast, had to wait for the computer to render, which would take 5 to 20 minutes depending on the complexity of the drawing, that house drawing when done took 30 minutes to render/regen. Heh. Ghod this talk about AutoCAD, I really need to get back into it, I loved working with it- I've forgotten everything.

    Now, you can use apps like AutoCad WS or AutoCAD 360 to open DWG files on an iPhone, iPad, maybe even android, and you can even edit the file - But have you tried to edit it with your finger? It's hard!
    I've downloaded the CAD apps on my iPad & Nexus 7 out of curiosity but I've never really used it. Thinking that I just might need a portable CAD reader when I need one later. But so far, I've never used it. There's even a Bentley app for Microstation but I've not downloaded it yet. I know it's no use for me. But I do mostly 3D modelling of structures using MS V8i. I believe there's no app is available for it yet.
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  4. #84


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post

    Is that 'app' also available as a desktop application? Because the way they're setup, its really no harder to make that a desktop application, as it would be an app. And if they don't do it, I easily see third party desktop versions of these Microsoft Apps incoming. The biggest thing to remember is the app is a WRAPPER, all of the 'modern interface' design aesthetic works just fine off a desktop application, with few to no code changes.

    Its all just WPF elements in a XAML file ffs :>.
    I was referring specifically to Metro Apps. I make the distinction by referring to Desktop applications as either Applications or Programs. You were asking about Modern File Explorer? Yes, it's in the Store. It's the closest thing to a real File Explorer that I have found. Others that claim the same functionality, do now allow you to see certain folders on your filesystem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    I've downloaded the CAD apps on my iPad & Nexus 7 out of curiosity but I've never really used it. Thinking that I just might need a portable CAD reader when I need one later. But so far, I've never used it. There's even a Bentley app for Microstation but I've not downloaded it yet. I know it's no use for me. But I do mostly 3D modelling of structures using MS V8i. I believe there's no app is available for it yet.
    I love AutoCAD WS - I can log right in, from anywhere and edit my DWG's, here is that 2point perspective I was talkng abut, I did this with AutoCAD 10 rc7 on an IBM PC-XT, full 640kb ram and 20mb hard drive.

    Click image for larger version

    Oh Yeah- I made the House as a 3-D Object in 3D World Space, positioned it to the perspective lines, then extrapolated the Elevation and the Floorplan. So this is a fairly huge ACAD file- The 3D House is actually full sized in the World Space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post

    Is that 'app' also available as a desktop application? Because the way they're setup, its really no harder to make that a desktop application, as it would be an app. And if they don't do it, I easily see third party desktop versions of these Microsoft Apps incoming. The biggest thing to remember is the app is a WRAPPER, all of the 'modern interface' design aesthetic works just fine off a desktop application, with few to no code changes.

    Its all just WPF elements in a XAML file ffs :>.
    I was referring specifically to Metro Apps. I make the distinction by referring to Desktop applications as either Applications or Programs. You were asking about Modern File Explorer? Yes, it's in the Store. It's the closest thing to a real File Explorer that I have found. Others that claim the same functionality, do now allow you to see certain folders on your filesystem.
    I was referring to Modern File Explorer as a desktop application. I.E. When Explorer is run as a desktop application(if there is one), does it look like that?

    I could care less about Apps, in particular. But everything you see coming out as an 'app', can easily be reformatted to be a provided desktop application with little to no modification to the code. The only question is whether they're doing it or not.

    In essence, whether you run Windows Explorer or File Explorer or whatever, there should be no difference between the look as it comes off an app or as it comes off an application with chrome in the desktop. The Modern Interface is *not* something that is specific to apps in any way, shape, or form.

    Same thing with stuff like the Control Panel. If you run a Desktop Control Panel and an App Control Panel, they both can use the same modern interface layout with little to no code changes.

    The ideal endgame for Windows as it pertains Apps and Applications is that you'll have the Mobile Interface which formats them to full screen with no chrome and hefty built-in security checks and a walled garden, and the Desktop which formats them to a Window with Chrome with few security checks, no walled garden, and seemless method of pushing data in and out.

    The actual look inside the box should be identical. The look you see now of a tradional windows explorer environment as run from the desktop should go away in favor of the modern look.
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  7. #87


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    No, it's not a desktop app, it's a Metro App. We really don't need it as a Desktop Program, because File Explorer is there, it's ingrained into the OS. It's one of the only useful Metro Apps I have, when I am using Metro, I stay in there usually.

    You can make it look how you want, but you do have to add your own links to the drives you want to see, cos by default it only scans your libraries, like most Metro Apps.

    Sorry for the huge pics, use right-click to open em sorry

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    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    The actual look inside the box should be identical. The look you see now of a tradional windows explorer environment as run from the desktop should go away in favor of the modern look.
    If MS decides to make this as a Native Metro App, they may do that, IF they take out the Desktop File Explorer. You want them to look the same from Either this app or File Explorer? What would happen if MS take the File Explorer out totally? For me, that would suck bigtime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    No, it's not a desktop app, it's a Metro App. We really don't need it as a Desktop Program, because File Explorer is there, it's ingrained into the OS. It's one of the only useful Metro Apps I have, when I am using Metro, I stay in there usually.

    You can make it look how you want, but you do have to add your own links to the drives you want to see, cos by default it only scans your libraries, like most Metro Apps.

    Sorry for the huge pics, use right-click to open em sorry
    When you open Windows Explorer, from the desktop, it should look exactly like that, but with chrome. It would be a full-blown desktop application, as we have now. There would be two releases. Explorer as an APP, a secure version usable off tablets, especially those without a desktop, and Explorer as a Desktop Application. But they would look the same, and they would have basically the same code base, with different wrappers.

    Otherwise, you're going to have to support two distinctly different codebases between the app version of Explorer, and the old school Desktop Version of Explorer.. and if they want to move people to a more touch-centric design aesthetic, there is no reason they can't also provide whatever program they make as an app, as an application that shares the same codebase with little effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    I've downloaded the CAD apps on my iPad & Nexus 7 out of curiosity but I've never really used it. Thinking that I just might need a portable CAD reader when I need one later. But so far, I've never used it. There's even a Bentley app for Microstation but I've not downloaded it yet. I know it's no use for me. But I do mostly 3D modelling of structures using MS V8i. I believe there's no app is available for it yet.
    I love AutoCAD WS - I can log right in, from anywhere and edit my DWG's, here is that 2point perspective I was talkng abut, I did this with AutoCAD 10 rc7 on an IBM PC-XT, full 640kb ram and 20mb hard drive.

    Click image for larger version

    Oh Yeah- I made the House as a 3-D Object in 3D World Space, positioned it to the perspective lines, then extrapolated the Elevation and the Floorplan. So this is a fairly huge ACAD file- The 3D House is actually full sized in the World Space.
    Nice work there man.

    I create 3D models for underground structures for the subway system including 3D contour maps. Then I also extract 2D views from 3D to creade 2D drawing documents. I don't think it will work on tablets. Haha.


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