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Do consumers really want touchscreen PCs? (Because I don't

  1. #71


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    Of course not....


    Of course nobody want touch on their home pc, it's ridiculous to think that they would.

    That said, I could think of some, very limited circumstances where touch would have a place.

    For instance, in the summer, I use my laptop as a music player on my deck. I suppose that for scrolling thru my 95gig playlist and choosing a song, touch would work just fine, maybe even better than scrolling with a mouse.

    But that's the thing... other than a few limited things, touch is as useless as tits on a bull for most home pc type things....

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    Your rant is quite hypocritical. But that's nothing unusual from you and others that keep calling those who don't like the MPI and support the view that there should be options, as Luddites and the like.

    I, nor anyone else, is suggesting that things should be done my way, but merely voicing a view that options should be provided. Options that in no way affect Windows 8, but enhance the user experience of those who work on the desktop.

    Your post is akin to a childish tantrum, emotional and full of shouting and ranting.
    You're correct. My sincere apology for my post. I'm sorry. No excuse, but I wrote that after I came home last night after having a bit too many. Also having a "bit of differences" with the little lady so I took my frustration out on you two.

    I read the article, found it to be interesting, and posted. I thought I simply posted my desires to look into touch and my point of view. In no way did I state touch is for everyone nor forced my opinion on anyone.

    Perhaps I'm a oddball user in that I sit close to my monitor. I've been a keyboard shortcut keys user for quite some time and I've always disliked the mouse. That's me as an individual as we all are.

    I just received a call from my daughter. She's being flooded out here in the Fox River Valley. I'll have to finish this later.

    The main objective was to apologize. Please forgive me. Gotta go....
    OK. I'm back to finish. Here's what my daughter and I are dealing with. She lives on a channel off the Fox River which is about 3-1/2 feet above flood stage. It's supposed to crest by Sunday morning then start to recede. Sure the hell hope so.

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    The first time I saw touch was what? 20 years ago? It was a touch screen cash register at a restaurant/bar. All based on panes for ordering. Then the order shows up on a monitor in the kitchen. Then I saw them at airports. Phones and pads. ATMs. Internet juke boxes have touch navigation now. We're seeing it more and more.

    Anywho, I've been wanting to get a second monitor anyway, so I thought for a little more money I'd get a touch one to learn and try it. If it doesn't work out I'll continue to have dual monitors. I can justify that.

    I never said I'd get rid of my keyboard. Just the mouse. I use the mouse mostly in a browser to navigate, for there are not too many keyboard shortcuts. One can tab around a little. Pushing WinKey/F4 gets a History/Favorites drop down menu which is a little help. One can delete things there also. To me the mouse is not a good navigational tool. Yes, I know I could get one of those Logitech mice and may eventually do that.

    We all use different devices, including tower PC, with different peripherals, using different software to accomplish different tasks. We are all individuals with different needs. Everyone has to find their own way. Touch may work for some and not others. It may not work at all for others. I understand all that. I'll be experimenting.

    Thanks for your input. Very interesting thread you all made it.
    It's a good topic. And it is maybe a very welcome add-on but not a total productivity enhancer at this point. It is all cool and fun. But for serious computing tasks, none replaces the good old mouse... Yet.

    Hope everything is fine with your daughter.
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  3. #73


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    High rise towers, dams, highwayss, subway systems and the roof you are sleeping in are NOT designed using drag and drop templates and graphic libraries. They are meticulously designed, connections after connections with extreme precision and accuracy. The world is not built by swiping and hand gestures. Halo is a "cartoons". It's not good example to justify your cause.

    I am a structural designer, and I just can't help but smile every time you say these things. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Taking the mouse away will be the same mistake as getting rid of Start Menu.
    I use AutoCAD, or rather I was trained with it. I've tried all of the versions of it since ACAD10c2 which I was running on an old PC XT with Dos Disks. You cannot use it without a mouse, keyboard, AND some kind of tablet designed for the template. I used to use a SummaGraphics tablet. You can't use a touch-screen keyboard for the typing you need to do with that program, especially if you are using or maintaining a library or objects. After using it for a while, you get to the point where you can enter your lines and Plines using the keyboard only. I did my dad's house that way, a two point perspective to extrapolate the floor plan out of. It's been years since I used that program, but it got to the point where I was pretty fast, had to wait for the computer to render, which would take 5 to 20 minutes depending on the complexity of the drawing, that house drawing when done took 30 minutes to render/regen. Heh. Ghod this talk about AutoCAD, I really need to get back into it, I loved working with it- I've forgotten everything.

    Now, you can use apps like AutoCad WS or AutoCAD 360 to open DWG files on an iPhone, iPad, maybe even android, and you can even edit the file - But have you tried to edit it with your finger? It's hard!
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  4. #74


    Well yeah, that soooo obvious, touchscreens are for kids to play, nothing more.
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  5. #75


    Sloe Deth, Californicatia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fredledingue View Post
    When I tried it I didn't see any advantage for the touch screen. Playing with it became quickely boring because it worked basicaly like any other computer. Move the cursor, click, double-click, mouve cursor again,... what's the advantage doing it with your finger? None. The feeling is the same as with the mouse. So why touch-screen? I don't know.
    It takes an eternity to right-click and to wait patiently for the right-click menu to appear. This makes copy-paste and drag and drop jobs a huge loss of time.
    The screen is far from the keyboard. The mouse is much closer. moving your hand back and forth between the mouse and the screen oliges you to make large gestures constantly and to lose time doing so.
    If you were to try the LCARSx32 Shell I mentioned in my original post, you'd see the advantage of it. The OS has to be designed to be operated by touch screen. Windows 7 Isn't - It's designed for Keyboard and Mouse. Windows 8 Metro IS - But so far it is not as effective as iOS, which is the ultimate Touch-Screen OS.

    Eventually, Microsoft will get the design bugs out of Metro and everythng you can do in Desktop will be able to be done in Metro. The start of this, is the Metro "Settings" button - It's all there, system settings, shut off or hibernate the puter, change the look of Metro. But the Control Panel is still the Desktop Control Panel, and difficult to operate with a touch screen. Ideally, a Metro system shoudl have a Metro style Control Panel, even a Metro Style Managment Console.

    Because the Management Console and the things that snap-in to it, were originally designed for Windows NT, and used in Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7 and 8, it's pretty much embedded into the OS and unless they change it completely while keeping full functionality of it for Windows 8, it'll never be a friendly part of the Metro Interface.

    The other problem, are the Apps designed for Windows 8, they are built to a spec, just like iOS apps are made, they follow a certain convention. With iOS that convention is clearly defined and MUST be adhered to or Apple will not publish your app, you would have to publish it as a Jailbreak App, if it allows any Filesystem modification or even access to the filesystem. Windows 8 is not locked down like that, so apps can be made to perform your basic File Explorer functions but so far, Microsoft is not making them, and they should be making them. Any Apple Device owner knows that there are Native apps that are just on the system when you get it, this used to include Google Maps and Youtube until Apple burnt their Bridges and failed with their own adaptations of those apps, and it semi-failed with their "Facebook Integration" which was not a real integration at all, just access to the login screen.

    Now with Windows 8, what is Native: Maps? Store? Messaging? People? Weather? ESDN? and Oh Yah the Stock market Ticker. What, no Compass, Notes, Calandar? Oh yah, a Calandar. And a new Music and video Player, which surpirisingly DOES play my MKV files. But since 2001 or so, DVDs have been an integrated part of Windows, we have always been able to play DVDs on Windows, until Now, unless you buy Media Center.

    So- These basic functions which have not been ported over to Metro, still need to be moved over, I think I am going to install that version of Blue that's been out, just to see what they have changed.
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  6. #76


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    Quote Originally Posted by startas View Post
    Well yeah, that soooo obvious, touchscreens are for kids to play, nothing more.
    That's only true of my Windows 8 machines, I've been able to get some pretty sophisticated work down on my iPhone - AND on LCARSx32 when I had it turned on, on that Acer machine I worked on. Not the high-level structural engineering, but other work. But the touchscreen interfaces of the programs I use to do those things have all been developing for 4 years, so that they are easier to manage than they were in their first versions.
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  7. #77


    Even if they would port it, its still would be useless, they should focus more on bugs fixes and optimizations, not on a kids toy.
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  8. #78


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    Here: case in Point? Modern File Explorer by paul.tallett:
    A great File Explorer app, gives me access to all of the folders and files on my system- This, is an Impossibility with a non-jailbroken iOS device, and a JB'd device requires you to use iFile to get the same thing, and, it's a 5 dollar app (but worth it)

    I like this app so far, a lot, I got is just a few days ago. I HAVE been searching the Store, there are good apps in there, but you just have to try them out, which is the problem, a lot of them you have to buy, and like everyone else, I won't pay for something unless I KNOW it is something I can use, which is why with iOS there are always Free versions of every app, they allow you to try it out so if you like it, you can get the fuil version.

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  9. #79


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    Quote Originally Posted by startas View Post
    Even if they would port it, its still would be useless, they should focus more on bugs fixes and optimizations, not on a kids toy.
    Granted!

    It took Microsoft several iterations of Windows starting from 3.1 and before, to even get THAT right, they blew it with 95, ME, Vista but look at the Track Record, 98 was highly used, 2000 was solid compared to ME, 7 the same compared to Vista.

    It's not that we didn't like the things thet were tried in ME and then Vista, stuff like System Restore and Aero became the best parts of XP and 7. Now, starting with Vista they totally changed the Event Viewer and the way the system logs were shown, in 7 that became more stable.

    The Desktop for 8 is wholly stable though, so the improvements need to be made, 1) Accommodate the people who still will use the Desktop and 2) Make Metro less of a toy and more like iOS, get better apps in there, and figure out a protocol where you can use your finger or a stylus to manipulate data. Remember Palm? I had a Palm for a long time, I had to learn a whole new way to use that stylus, took me years, but then I got a Treo which changed the Stylus, and added a real keyboard- They kept the Stylus for older apps which still used it, but eventually you didn't need it except to click on the buttons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    Of course nobody want touch on their home pc, it's ridiculous to think that they would.

    That said, I could think of some, very limited circumstances where touch would have a place.

    For instance, in the summer, I use my laptop as a music player on my deck. I suppose that for scrolling thru my 95gig playlist and choosing a song, touch would work just fine, maybe even better than scrolling with a mouse.

    But that's the thing... other than a few limited things, touch is as useless as tits on a bull for most home pc type things....

    That's just about my take on it as well.

    Like the start screen/Metro and Aero eye-candy, it should be a choice, not
    forced upon users who don't want it. So long as it remains optional, that's
    just fine, and doesn't bother me at all.

    None of my machines have it, and I don't need or want it. It doesn't work
    for me for what I do.

    My mouse and full-sized 101-key keyboard aren't going anywhere and neither
    are what they're attached to.

    Despite the wishful thinking of Coke Robot and one or two others.


    Wenda.
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