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Do consumers really want touchscreen PCs? (Because I don't

  1. #51


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I already have 8, don't need a Surface Pro right now, and waiting for the Nokia Lumia EOS that is expected to be released this summer.
    I thought you were still rocking the Enterprise eval of Windows 8. That's what it shows under your avatar.

    I can understand not needing a Surface Pro, but you have to see the irony that you have preached and praised and highly touted the Surface, touch, and the Nokia phones to no end...but yet it seems when parting with actual money comes into play it's a different story. Always waiting for the next thing, not satisfied with the current stuff that is out there. Which is really what many of us complain about...not being blown away with what is available now..yet when we complain...you basically say we are doing it wrong, or don't understand. Yes you are right, I don't understand.

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  2. #52


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    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    Both of you are talking from completely different perspective.

    As I've stated before, the mouse and keyboard aren't going away any time soon. Touch is a nice addition to the list of interfaces we could use to interact with our computers. But it's not here to replace anything. People, please get that through your thick skulls. Nobody is out to get your mice.

    I work with a mouse almost everyday. It's still the best interface for a workstation, IMHO. I'm a field engineer, so sometimes I don't always have the luxury of sitting comfortably at my desk in the office. Having a laptop with a touchscreen has made my life a lot better than before.

    The point is touch is just another tool presented by the market. If you absolutely hate it, then don't use it. Or you could find a way to incorporate that into your life. But again, rest assured that no evil doer is out to take your mouse away.

    And coke, ease up on the fervor, man. I'm all for touch, because I love it. But these guys are right about working with certain programs that require an honest to god mouse. Remember that all these programs evolved by the mouse. They were designed and optimized for use WITH THE MOUSE. Until they come up with some ingenious way to adequately work with things like cad drawings through touch, the mouse remains my most trusted tool.

    Touch is still a relatively new tool. give it time and it will find its rightful place among our tool box.
    Don't get mo wrong man, I have touch devices, too. Like I said, I even have a Wacom pen & touch tablet to complement my mouse. It's just that one guy is saying that there is no need for a mouse.
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  3. #53


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    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    Coke, do you know how to use PDS Fameworks, Autodesk Revit, SmartPlant, Bentley Structural Modeler, Microstation and AutoCAD? I do.All of them. Have you even heard about data point, tentative point and accept button? I guess you don't because you want the mouse out of the equation.

    High rise towers, dams, highwayss, subway systems and the roof you are sleeping in are NOT designed using drag and drop templates and graphic libraries. They are meticulously designed, connections after connections with extreme precision and accuracy. The world is not built by swiping and hand gestures. Halo is a "cartoons". It's not good example to justify your cause.

    I am a structural designer, and I just can't help but smile every time you say these things. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Taking the mouse away will be the same mistake as getting rid of Start Menu.

    If you think mouse is expensive, are you saying that Wacom is cheap? I have a Wacom Bamboo Capture pen & touch tablet and although it's the cheapest version ($99) of graphic tablet that has hand gesture options, it's still 3X more expensive than my favorite Logitech wireless mouse. And it's not even a touch monitor, it's just a graphic tablet. So, I would think, the Wacom touch screens are more than 10X more expensive. Wacom is NOT CHEAP! And 10X more difficult to get used to than a regular mouse. The stylus itself would be expensive already. So, how would it justify losing the mouse????

    I guess it's time to change you sig. You're not doing it yourself.
    I use AutoCAD and Photoshop quite a bit as the career field I'm going into is architecture.... Even in the field of architecture, CAD drawing isn't the sole way architects design at all. They STILL do a lot of hand drafting. Why? I don't know, that depends on the person. Personally, I can't envision something and draw it facing a computer screen and using a mouse. Master plans are drafted still by hand and THEN done into AutoCAD, at least from the couple of firms I've been at to shadow.

    Halo isn't a cartoon, it is a meticulously drawn and revised 3D graphical model that required a lot of fine tuning and input that you obviously don't even realize. Some developers used a mouse, others used a stylus and touchscreen. Also, never did I say that you're supposed to use "swiping and hand gestures" to design anything. NO WHERE. You're putting words in my mouth.

    Also, I never said the mouse was expensive, again, you're putting words in my mouth. I bloody well know a Wacom graphical design touchscreen cost about 3,400 dollars, one that is SOLELY built for Photoshop as it has a bunch of buttons and I believe a scroll wheel on the sides just to be better suited in switching paintbrushes or to change pressure sensitivity.

    I'M not the one thinking outside the box here? You're the one that is arguing to stay with the current UI model that has been around for decades, while I'm thinking about possible potential elsewhere that is significantly easier to use. I can really tell you've NEVER used a touchscreen on Windows 7 or 8, as well as not even figuring out how to use it effectively. As someone who is a structural designer, I'm surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    I already have 8, don't need a Surface Pro right now, and waiting for the Nokia Lumia EOS that is expected to be released this summer.
    I thought you were still rocking the Enterprise eval of Windows 8. That's what it shows under your avatar.

    I can understand not needing a Surface Pro, but you have to see the irony that you have preached and praised and highly touted the Surface, touch, and the Nokia phones to no end...but yet it seems when parting with actual money comes into play it's a different story. Always waiting for the next thing, not satisfied with the current stuff that is out there. Which is really what many of us complain about...not being blown away with what is available now..yet when we complain...you basically say we are doing it wrong, or don't understand. Yes you are right, I don't understand.
    I haven't bothered changing it and I keep forgetting to.

    See, I don't get this. You're telling me to that I have to out and spend thousands of dollars on devices that for one I don't need right now, and two I'm still waiting out for a particular Nokia Windows Phone 8 handset; JUST to convince certain words on the internet otherwise?

    I already technically have a Lumia 920 that was supposed to be a trial device for two weeks, but Nokia's Logistic department is more constipated than a fat man as they get in contact with me once every two months about this and never reply to my emails in a timely fashion. I'm not using that one right now as I'm back on my Lumia 900 with the 7.8 update as that's the one that is unlocked with service, not the 920. I'm sure as ruddy hell not going back to att JUST to use a 920 without wifi all the time. I'm blown away by the 920, but since I follow Windows Phone development more than you ever will, I know that the EOS Nokia Lumia handset is inevitable and rumored for a July release on att then globally later. Similar specs as the 808 PureView, WAY better than the 920; not even a comparison camera wise or even hardware wise. THAT is the one I want since if I'm going to be paying well over 700 dollars out of pocket for a Windows Phone 8 handset, I'm not going to be buying one when the one that will satisfy my body is to come out in a few months. Do you not see the logic here?

    There really isn't much I'm currently not satisfied with. There are things in Window 8 for example that I want to see changed, but as it is, it is a great OS. I'll take the additional changes that will come and use them, as they will add on as a better overall experience than previously.
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  5. #55


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    Coke, do you know how to use PDS Fameworks, Autodesk Revit, SmartPlant, Bentley Structural Modeler, Microstation and AutoCAD? I do.All of them. Have you even heard about data point, tentative point and accept button? I guess you don't because you want the mouse out of the equation.

    High rise towers, dams, highwayss, subway systems and the roof you are sleeping in are NOT designed using drag and drop templates and graphic libraries. They are meticulously designed, connections after connections with extreme precision and accuracy. The world is not built by swiping and hand gestures. Halo is a "cartoons". It's not good example to justify your cause.

    I am a structural designer, and I just can't help but smile every time you say these things. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

    Taking the mouse away will be the same mistake as getting rid of Start Menu.

    If you think mouse is expensive, are you saying that Wacom is cheap? I have a Wacom Bamboo Capture pen & touch tablet and although it's the cheapest version ($99) of graphic tablet that has hand gesture options, it's still 3X more expensive than my favorite Logitech wireless mouse. And it's not even a touch monitor, it's just a graphic tablet. So, I would think, the Wacom touch screens are more than 10X more expensive. Wacom is NOT CHEAP! And 10X more difficult to get used to than a regular mouse. The stylus itself would be expensive already. So, how would it justify losing the mouse????

    I guess it's time to change you sig. You're not doing it yourself.
    I use AutoCAD and Photoshop quite a bit as the career field I'm going into is architecture.... Even in the field of architecture, CAD drawing isn't the sole way architects design at all. They STILL do a lot of hand drafting. Why? I don't know, that depends on the person. Personally, I can't envision something and draw it facing a computer screen and using a mouse. Master plans are drafted still by hand and THEN done into AutoCAD, at least from the couple of firms I've been at to shadow.

    Halo isn't a cartoon, it is a meticulously drawn and revised 3D graphical model that required a lot of fine tuning and input that you obviously don't even realize. Some developers used a mouse, others used a stylus and touchscreen. Also, never did I say that you're supposed to use "swiping and hand gestures" to design anything. NO WHERE. You're putting words in my mouth.

    Also, I never said the mouse was expensive, again, you're putting words in my mouth. I bloody well know a Wacom graphical design touchscreen cost about 3,400 dollars, one that is SOLELY built for Photoshop as it has a bunch of buttons and I believe a scroll wheel on the sides just to be better suited in switching paintbrushes or to change pressure sensitivity.

    I'M not the one thinking outside the box here? You're the one that is arguing to stay with the current UI model that has been around for decades, while I'm thinking about possible potential elsewhere that is significantly easier to use. I can really tell you've NEVER used a touchscreen on Windows 7 or 8, as well as not even figuring out how to use it effectively. As someone who is a structural designer, I'm surprised.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    [...Sure you can use the mouse, but you have a bloody expensive optional input.
    this is where I got the idea you saying that a mouse is an expensive tool... unless you meant something else...


    ...YES CAD is the sole way of doing architectural drafting works... unless you are talking about a small time company doing kitchen renovation.

    I said "cartoons", with quotation marks as opposed to reality...

    and you said... "Simply because there is just no need to have a mouse anymore".... which to me is like saying you want to do everything with a swipe.

    I did not put words into your mouth.. I just translated them the way I understood them from your own words.

    If you can refer me to an EPC company that uses touchscreen for structural designing... send me a link... please.

    We can go on forever.. but I rest my case.
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  6. #56


    Ok, I think I understand what coke is saying.

    My statement still stands. You guys are talking from 2 different perspectives. Seems to me that you are now talking past each other.

    Just try to keep in mind that these are all tools that we can add to our tool boxes. And each individual tool has its uses. No evil doer is out to take your mouse away. And no evil doer is out to force you to stop using the touch screen.
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  7. #57


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    Hi there
    I'm giving up on this thread (probably to the HUGE relief of other posters all round).
    We've obviously got here the "Irresistible Force vs the Unmoveable block" syndrome again.

    Surely people can understand there are ALL sorts of peripherals around - some suited for certain task while others are used for different ones.

    A mouse has value in all sorts of situations(and not only when the Cat feels hungry) while for others Touch is fine -- but EACH in their place.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    I'm giving up on this thread (probably to the HUGE relief of other posters all round).
    We've obviously got here the "Irresistible Force vs the Unmoveable block" syndrome again.

    Surely people can understand there are ALL sorts of peripherals around - some suited for certain task while others are used for different ones.

    A mouse has value in all sorts of situations(and not only when the Cat feels hungry) while for others Touch is fine -- but EACH in their place.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I'll join you Jimbo and will unsubscribe to this thread. It is getting boring.
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  9. #59


    I still play starcraft online at bnet. Used to play it on my i7 desktop. But after I got burglarized 3 months ago, I've been playing starcraft on my hp envy x2. How? Plug it into my tv and use a mouse. That's right, an honest to god mouse. SC was designed for the mouse. Neither touchpad nor touchscreen can replace that. And I'm a huge proponent of touchscreen.
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    Lol! I was back finishing where I left off and we had a power outage. Checked with neighbors and everything is out on the block. Had to resort to my Droid using 3G. No way am I going to type it out on this device! Oh well. Some other time I guess.
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