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Do consumers really want touchscreen PCs? (Because I don't

  1. #131


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    Sooner or later, I see touch perhaps becoming a part of my daily routine in a supplemental fashion, as has already been suggested here. Even though I like Windows 8 just fine, even I can still see the value in a keyboard/mouse combo.

    But on the subject of touch, may I offer a cute little anecdote. On more than one occasion when I'd be showing something to my mom on my Surface, she would point at it and say something in response, but get a little too close because she would end up causing the tablet to respond as well ... then she would get a little frightened and worry that she messed something up. Too funny. I have to keep reminding her that, well, these things are meant to be touched...

    Oh yeah. Still a subset of people that would require ... training ... to even use a tablet.

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  2. #132


    Quote Originally Posted by msdos622wasfun View Post
    Sooner or later, I see touch perhaps becoming a part of my daily routine in a supplemental fashion, as has already been suggested here. Even though I like Windows 8 just fine, even I can still see the value in a keyboard/mouse combo.

    But on the subject of touch, may I offer a cute little anecdote. On more than one occasion when I'd be showing something to my mom on my Surface, she would point at it and say something in response, but get a little too close because she would end up causing the tablet to respond as well ... then she would get a little frightened and worry that she messed something up. Too funny. I have to keep reminding her that, well, these things are meant to be touched...

    Oh yeah. Still a subset of people that would require ... training ... to even use a tablet.
    While I can't say for others, I can say for what happened with my elderly parents.

    In their late 60's, they began wanting to start using computer. You have to understand something, we came from a country where access to high end electronic items are still a dream for 99% of the people but never a reality. So, I bought them an i3 desktop clocked at 3.0 ghz. Thought its fast enough that it won't stutter and freeze.

    Anyway, I started showing them how to use the desktop. It took months for them to stop calling me wanting to know how to read more stuff on a particular website (hint: scroll down). What's worse, after 3 months of it and my dad still had trouble with the mouse.

    Again, you can't think from your perspective. You have to think from perspective of someone who's never used anything resembling a computer before.

    That was when I decided to do an experiment. I went out and bought an asus transformer infinity (at the time it was top of the line android tablet). And holy cow my dad just breezed through with it. He adapted to touch almost immediately. And soon after, he was able to to explore the internet on his own and started having favorite websites pinned. Mostly forums in my native language.

    My mom is a slightly different story. She's adapted to the desktop, but to her using a touch screen tablet is still a lot easier and is still her preferred device.

    Nobody is saying that the keyboard and the mouse will go away. But I am very thankful that he touchscreen arrived just in time for my parents. Without touchscreen, they'd still be struggling with the keyboard and the mouse. I swear, to this day after over a year after they started using the computer for leisure in their retirement, they still can't figure out what to do with the mouse. It's just not intuitive for them. Without the touchscreen, they'd still be tech illiterate.

    Same story with my uncle, who is now 80-some years old. At 70-something, he decided to finally get a computer. My brother bought him one and he loved it. But he never really seemed to understand how it worked. 6 months ago, I got him an asus transformer infinity and he's been very happy using that machine. The learning curve has been the same for them.

    So, all these people who are dissing touchscreen, you guys have no idea what it's like to introduce the computer to the elderly who have never used a computer in their lives. Not everyone is a software engineer or a linux 1337. Touchscreen is here to stay. If only more manufacturers introduce more touchscreen devices for people. Once the prices go down, people won't be able to live without touch. I guarantee it.
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  3. #133


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    Quote Originally Posted by msdos622wasfun View Post
    Sooner or later, I see touch perhaps becoming a part of my daily routine in a supplemental fashion, as has already been suggested here. Even though I like Windows 8 just fine, even I can still see the value in a keyboard/mouse combo.
    The same thing applies to Voice Control, which HAS become a more reliable tech, the innovations of Siri for Apple and whatever Samsung IIIS's have (Which is actually pretty good) are just coming into their usefulness. And if you modify your device it opens up even more ways to make Voice Control useful. I liked Siri in itself, but it was limited in that I had to press the start button or lift it to my head to start it. But after I jailbroke, I installed a jailbreak-only Hands Free app that makes Siri always listen, so I used to be able to open many apps on my iPhone by saying stuff like "Computer - Open (or launch) Navigator" and Navigon would pop open, from me just telling it to happen. But the tech is still in it's infancy and not very reliable, sometimes it would not respond or refuse to open the app. Now, it says I don't have the apps installed anymore, so the whole modification is being blocked somehow. But while it was working, it was great.

    Now, on the Windows 8 side, Voice Control coupled with Touch Screen could possibly become a very friendly way to use the system. I have voice set up on one system and it allows me to enter input to Word, when I feel like dictating.

    There is a program called "LCARSx32" Download - LCARS x32 which turns your PC into a Star Trek Next Generation style workstation, and it has built in voice, plus it is designed for Touch - This interface has been in development for many years before Windows 8 ever was thought of. It works pretty well on Windows 8, save for glitches in the look of the interface, in Windows 7 it works flawlessly. But you can either use the touch screen to tap the tiles that are in that program, or you can use your voice to open various programs, including commands you can add yourself.

    But even with all of these innovations, it always comes down to having to use a keyboard and mouse, because it will be several years until Voice control can determine CONTEXT of sounds so you do not always have to go back and correct it. Not to mention, what do you do if you have a thick Scottish or Russian accent, like Chekov in the Trek Reboot, and the computer can't understand what your saying?

    Case in Point:

    Why Apple Will Never Succeed In Scotland - YouTube
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  4. #134


    I'm looking at something like this. I can see me working with this at tilted position with stylus and my slide out keyboard drawer. Bye bye mouse. It's nice that it's adjustable. It may be quite easy to type on the on screen keyboard as well. A little pricey here, though. One store had it for $632.00 with shipping. New Egg sold out of them, so someone's buying them.

    Microsoft Store - Buy Acer T272HL bmidz 27-Inch Touchscreen Display

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  5. #135


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I'm looking at something like this. I can see me working with this at tilted position with stylus and my slide out keyboard drawer. Bye bye mouse. It's nice that it's adjustable. It may be quite easy to type on the on screen keyboard as well. A little pricey here, though. One store had it for $632.00 with shipping. New Egg sold out of them, so someone's buying them.

    Microsoft Store - Buy Acer T272HL bmidz 27-Inch Touchscreen Display

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    Hi there
    OK looks good but I would STILL DEFY anyone to show me how any of these devices make cutting and pasting blocks of text EASIER than by using what some people regard as "An Old Fashioned Mouse".

    I don't doubt for drawing / touch up in photo shop / CAD etc these types of devices might help but touch isn't really good for a lot of things and try cutting / pasting random blocks of text with something like a stylus or a pen. It CAN be done but using a Mouse is a lot easier. You might like the stylus but I'm sure after a while you'll want the mouse back too -- no reason why you have to give it up even in the days of touch. You can have ALL these devices.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    [QUOTE=jimbo45;227043]
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Hi there
    OK looks good but I would STILL DEFY anyone to show me how any of these devices make cutting and pasting blocks of text EASIER than by using what some people regard as "An Old Fashioned Mouse".

    I don't doubt for drawing / touch up in photo shop / CAD etc these types of devices might help but touch isn't really good for a lot of things and try cutting / pasting random blocks of text with something like a stylus or a pen. It CAN be done but using a Mouse is a lot easier. You might like the stylus but I'm sure after a while you'll want the mouse back too -- no reason why you have to give it up even in the days of touch. You can have ALL these devices.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I don't recall anyone ever making a claim that the touch monitor will replace the mouse and keyboard for text editing purposes. Strawman...

    Added by edit.

    I plan to eventually put in some systems around my house with a central control. This monitor is what I'm eyeing for this purpose coupled with an i7 desktop computer.
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  7. #137


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    central control... wow.... do you live in a space ship? just teasing. No offense meant.

    Actually, a regular iPad, iPhone or android can serve a purpose as a control pad (heating, cooling, surveillance, lighting, etc.) for your home. You don't need an i7 system or an expensive touch screen.

    Great touch monitor there. I would definitely get that one for my favorite game..... Angry Birds!
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  8. #138


    Quote Originally Posted by fourthofjuly View Post
    central control... wow.... do you live in a space ship? just teasing. No offense meant.

    Actually, a regular iPad, iPhone or android can serve a purpose as a control pad (heating, cooling, surveillance, lighting, etc.) for your home. You don't need an i7 system or an expensive touch screen.

    Great touch monitor there. I would definitely get that one for my favorite game..... Angry Birds!
    Um... trekkie here. My ultimate goal is to add armor technology to my home. Star trek voyager series finale.
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  9. #139


    Jimbo, to tell you the truth I'm not all that familiar with some of this stuff, especially the stylus. I'm reading up on it and looking around. As you may know, I'm a keyboard shortcutter and a switcher that doesn't window much but on occasion. I'm limited using a single 19 inch monitor. I've always looked into getting another monitor so I'm thinking a bigger one, but not too big. Perhaps then I'll window more.

    The mouse is a necessary evil to me. If there were keyboard shortcuts for everything I wouldn't need the damn thing. To me it's a waste of motion and time reaching for it. I would rather keep my hands on the keyboard, but we all know that's not possible. Therefore, since I'm reaching out for the mouse and 8 is touch centric I thought why not look for an alternative. I figure what's the difference if reaching for the mouse or reaching out to the screen with either finger or stylus? I know what touch can do, but not familiar with a stylus. Keep in mind that I'll have my present monitor also.

    My biggest task as a builder/contractor is estimating and bidding. I'll have a personally customized Excel workbook containing various worksheets/spreadsheets, a blueprint usually in PDF, a calculator, a reference book, and a browser with 2 or 3 tabs of sites open to perform this. I dual boot with 7 and perform this there yet. I use Alt/Tab and WinKey/Tab for 3D switching a lot, which 3D is not present in 8. I tab through the Excel workbook and the browser pages using keyboard. I arrow, Enter, Home, End, etc. to navigate Excel worksheets. My contract and proposal templates are in Word, so eventually I open those. Then more nowadays I'll email them. Sometimes I need to open Contacts or refer to a map.

    Occasionally I draw and believe it or not I use Excel using the drawing bar. I have templates of cells at 1/4 inch square. A lot of mouse work using that. I wonder if a stylus with that would be much quicker. Pic below.

    All in all, I try my best to keep my hands on the keyboard. Much quicker IMO. Now with 8 being much more touch centric I'm looking into alternatives. I had a boss in my younger days that once taught me that just because we did things a certain way doesn't mean that there's not a better way.

    All comments on my ideas are most welcome, especially on the stylus. Perhaps I'm thinking wrong. I don't know.



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  10. #140


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I'm looking at something like this. I can see me working with this at tilted position with stylus and my slide out keyboard drawer. Bye bye mouse. It's nice that it's adjustable. It may be quite easy to type on the on screen keyboard as well. A little pricey here, though. One store had it for $632.00 with shipping. New Egg sold out of them, so someone's buying them.

    Microsoft Store - Buy Acer T272HL bmidz 27-Inch Touchscreen Display

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    I've got 5 of these Acer's in my Office. They are the 23" models that I have.

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    When you have them tilted down and you use them, I feel like I am taking an order at a fast food restaurant.
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