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What a Windows 8 U-turn will mean for the PC

  1. #71


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    I have pages and pages of this icons on my start page. It would take me far too long to organize them and rather pointless since I try to avoid the whole metro thing. Yes, I have played with the modern UI apps but what is the point when going directly to the site or opening up the 'real' application always provides a much richer experience

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  2. #72


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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by goodintentions View Post
    I'm just old enough to remember working with dos. And then windows came out and we got to type windows to start windows. When windows started booting directly into windows, I remember some oldies bitching about it. My brother was one of those that initially thought the new interface was crap and that he just wanted to go back to dos.

    Every time a new interface is introduced the first 6 months or so people will cry armageddon and the end of life as we know it. After that initial period people will begin to think it's not that bad and once they learned how to use it efficiently people will even come to favor the new interface over the old.

    I absolutely don't see any problem with windows 8. My tablet/laptop hybrid that I take with me everywhere I can do everything with it super fast. And my old i7 desktop with a 24" monitor (before it got taken from me during a burglary) I used it with windows 8 without any problem whatsoever. Whenever I wanted to open up a program, all I did was type really fast the first 4 or so letters of that program and press enter. That's faster than any start menu can make it.

    And when I want to do a search, it's a lot faster for me to swipe from the right side and press the magnifying glass to start searching than any start menu.

    The fact of the matter is 3 months from now the new windows 8 interface will not even be on anyone's radar. Why not argue that we need to go back to dos and that if you want windows you could always launch it from dos? I don't see anyone making that argument these days.

    Remember those good old days when dos command prompt was there for you to run everything you needed to? Remember how everyone cried bloody murder when the OS launched directly into windows and if you wanted to run a dos program you have to open up a command prompt (OMG extra steps!)? Why the hell aren't you oldies making such arguments nowadays?

    Technology is about change. Change to be more efficient. Change for the better. Nowadays I can launch apps faster than ever before. All I did was spent a whole 2 minutes getting to know windows 8.

    Added by edit.

    Now that I think more about it, I remember as a young lad trying to become tech savy I hated the mouse. Most things were dos based back then. I hated going into windows 3.1 and I hated it when the new computer my parents bought me launched directly into windows. I also heard a lot of people complaining about it as well.

    I am absolutely convinced that metro is THE RIGHT PATH for Microsoft. With new interfaces like leap motion, Kinect, optical control, and other interfaces being developed or have already developed, the new interface will become much much more than just a work station. Imagine controlling your home utilities from a single system. Imagine linking your cars to your home system.

    The military is already using touch interfaces in a lot of places. I have a friend who sells those tough devices with touch interfaces from Panasonic to military and law enforcement agencies, and they are more profitable than ever. Controlling drones, ships, robots, etc. won't rely on the user typing in command lines anymore. Touch will reduce input time by quite a bit.

    Touch interface applications are endless.

    So, again, why aren't you guys arguing for them to bring back launching directly into dos and if you want to you can launch windows from there?
    Great post! +1
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  3. #73


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    "My tablet/laptop hybrid..."
    And it is a great OS for a tablet/laptop hybrid but not so great for laptops, desktops and servers where we don't have the same touch interface
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  4. #74


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    Maybe a picture can help you understand. This is from the apps screen and I have Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate installed. Can you find it? You can't and neither can the 'search' feature. Metro and the new method of finding and using applications is broken.
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    I saw it in the bottom left corner in four seconds...
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  5. #75


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    ... It doesn't even show up in the apps menu so selecting open file location isn't going to work ...
    Metro/Modern UI is broken!
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    Metro/Modern UI is broken!
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    Actually, it is broken. I have been using it for 18 months and there is still no way of locating some major applications like visual studio by searching for 'visual studio'.
    It took me less than 2 minutes to find visual studio.

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  6. #76


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    Looks like you installed VS first not SQL first
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  7. #77


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    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    Looks like you installed VS first not SQL first
    Nope. SQL was installed first.
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  8. #78


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    You didn't install SQL Data tools or the BI tools(old SSIS/SSAS) . That is the part where VS is installed. If you did, VS will for then on be called SQL Server Data Tools. I've done this over and over and the results are the same in either windows 8 or 2012. My point is it shouldn't matter what you have installed. All applications should be grouped together where they are easily assessable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    You didn't install SQL Data tools or the BI tools(old SSIS/SSAS) . That is the part where VS is installed. If you did, VS will for then on be called SQL Server Data Tools. I've done this over and over and the results are the same in either windows 8 or 2012. My point is it shouldn't matter what you have installed. All applications should be grouped together where they are easily assessable.
    Hi there.

    I disagree fundamentally here -- APPs should be grouped in the way YOU personally want to use them -- for instance I might be 100% Bonkers to some but I might want to run Photoshop and SQL server together --don't ask me why --but I might want to. So I should be able to group these two together --why not even if it seems totally imbecilic or plain illogical to other people.

    Remember what the name PC is derived from -- PERSONAL COMPUTER -- so the way you use it should where possible be based on PERSONAL PREFERENCES and surely in 21 st century we should be able to handle peoples idiosyncracies.

    Cheers
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  10. #80


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    Windows 8 U-Turn ?


    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    You didn't install SQL Data tools or the BI tools(old SSIS/SSAS).
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    ... so selecting open file location isn't going to work....
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    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    My point is it shouldn't matter what you have installed. All applications should be grouped together where they are easily accessible.
    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    Metro/Modern UI is broken!
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