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What a Windows 8 U-turn will mean for the PC

  1. #61


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    Windows 8, 2012, 7, 2008R2, 2008, 2003, XP,SUSE


    But non IT people see and hear about these things and are lost. Microsoft needs to find a way of bringing back some of the same methods that they have used since the early 80's or they will lose customers. The tree-structure system that people access via the start menu needs to come back to save Windows 8

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  2. #62


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    But non IT people see and hear about these things and are lost. Microsoft needs to find a way of bringing back some of the same methods that they have used since the early 80's or they will lose customers. The tree-structure system that people access via the start menu needs to come back to save Windows 8
    That's true. I agree with you.
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  3. #63


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    Windows 8, 2012, 7, 2008R2, 2008, 2003, XP,SUSE


    Maybe a picture can help you understand. This is from the apps screen and I have Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate installed. Can you find it? You can't and neither can the 'search' feature. Metro and the new method of finding and using applications is broken.
    Click image for larger version
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  4. #64


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    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    Maybe a picture can help you understand. This is from the apps screen and I have Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate installed. Can you find it? You can't and neither can the 'search' feature. Metro and the new method of finding and using applications is broken.
    We could go round and round all night but to no avail. Visual Studio 2010 is dated and the installer is not designed for Windows 8, Server 2012 or WinRT. The installer for applications must be updated to properly list in WinRT. There are lots of older installers that have the same problem.

    What's this?

    Click image for larger version

    There are issues with Adobe, and older Microsoft products and others.
    If you wish to believe that the Operating System design is broken, that is your choice.

    These links (in all apps) are available to further address concerns by right clicking them and selecting open file locations. Good Luck to you sir.
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  5. #65


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    Windows 8, 2012, 7, 2008R2, 2008, 2003, XP,SUSE


    That is visual studio 2012. SQL 2012 (latest version) installs it's own VS 2010. After that, I installed the full version but you will still have to look for SQL data tools to find it does SQL Data tools even sounds like visual studio.?
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  6. #66


    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    Frivolous activities? I'm a DBA and these are the tools that I must install on the server in order to work! And no, I'm not a Windows 8 hater. Again, I have been running windows 8 since the early beta on my laptop since it first came available and have run all versions until it went gold. There are some great features [love Hyper-V and miss it when I have to use work VM] but it doesn't take in consideration people who really have to work with a PC and not a tablet into consideration. Metro is a total joke. I have 8 'pages' of icons all thrown in together. I have SQL icons next to Office icons with a other applications thrown in without any real logic. For those who have a lot of applications installed, it makes it unusable. How many times will I ever need GUID generator [office 2013] and why is it next to my Mozila icon? Of course if I had a start button, everything would be accessible in a Just how is this making using a PC easier? Why have they done away with the tree-structure system of finding applications that they have had since DOS 2.0?
    You claim to have used win8 since the beta version and yet you never figured out that the start screen is for personalization and the real organization of all your apps are in the all apps screen? You're suppose to organize them into clusters as you go along. When there are apps that you don't use so often or you don't want to see everyday, you can unpin from the start screen.
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  7. #67


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    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    Maybe a picture can help you understand. This is from the apps screen and I have Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate installed. Can you find it? You can't and neither can the 'search' feature. Metro and the new method of finding and using applications is broken.
    We could go round and round all night but to no avail. Visual Studio 2010 is dated and the installer is not designed for Windows 8, Server 2012 or WinRT. The installer for applications must be updated to properly list in WinRT. There are lots of older installers that have the same problem.
    As long as you aren't making Apps, Visual Studio 2010 works fine for like 99% of most needs. But the UI for 2010 tends to be far superior to 2012, imo. For some reason, they decided to remove the colorfulness of folders and what not in the Solution Explorer and instead make everything a variation on black :<. It took some getting used to, but I could see people sticking with 2010, if not working with Apps, for the environment.

    Either way, the projects seamlessly open in either so you don't have to play project file conversion games. Most people who work seriously with VS, often have both installed.
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  8. #68


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi all
    This might be getting pointless as

    a) Start button "Partially" works in Latest leaked release 9369 -- click the button from the Start screen and all apps are listed -- your Visual studio problem is solved - although it's still not perfect by any manner of means. Apps can be re-named, moved, grouped, re-arranged etc. (Start button feature doesn't exist on earlier leaked build 9364 BTW).

    Ms are obviously working on

    b) Ms is actually talking about bringing back the Start button (on the desktop) and being able to boot directly to the desktop -- this should make all these types of problems disappear at a stroke.

    If you want to see the current "Half implemented" new start button read my post in this thread :

    Maybe They Should Just Call It Windows 7.8

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #69


    Posts : 123
    Windows 8, 2012, 7, 2008R2, 2008, 2003, XP,SUSE


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    Maybe a picture can help you understand. This is from the apps screen and I have Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate installed. Can you find it? You can't and neither can the 'search' feature. Metro and the new method of finding and using applications is broken.
    We could go round and round all night but to no avail. Visual Studio 2010 is dated and the installer is not designed for Windows 8, Server 2012 or WinRT. The installer for applications must be updated to properly list in WinRT. There are lots of older installers that have the same problem.
    Must be the slow class here.
    SQL 2012, the latest and greatest that they make, comes with VS 2010 for BIDS. It isn't for WinRT [really, who said anything about WinRT?]. It isn't an 'old' installer but the latest edition that Microsoft makes. It doesn't even show up in the apps menu so selecting open file location isn't going to work. And yes, SQL 2012 was designed to work on both Windows 8 and windows 2012. Metro/Modern UI is broken!
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  10. #70


    Australia
    Posts : 57
    Windows 10 & 8.1 64-bit, Kubuntu


    I could live with windows 8 if the font rendering wasn't so blurry.

    All I ask is for the option to have RGB font anti-aliasing instead of being limited to Grayscale font rendering.
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