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What a Windows 8 U-turn will mean for the PC

  1. #51


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    Actually, it is broken. I have been using it for 18 months and there is still no way of locating some major applications like visual studio by searching for 'visual studio'. Plus, have you tried to use 'metro' in a server? It is very difficult to find the charms unless you are full screen and do you know of anyone using a server where they are actually sitting at a 'real' computer? It's just not done, you access everything remotely
    Because you cannot find an application unless it is listed in all apps. Have you looked in all apps? Unless it is a type of installation that does not install properly or independently of how the start menu tree is designed. Try looking in all apps. Or try using file explorer and pin what is needed to where you need it.

    Broken is a descriptive term that suggests the Operating System does not function properly.
    Yes I have used the metro in server. How is it difficult to find charms?
    If that is an issue, there are alternatives to the charms function.

    The definition of a "real" computer is another canard.
    A real computer is anything and everything from a phone to a mainframe.
    Last edited by mdmd; 19 Apr 2013 at 22:03. Reason: added computer

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  2. #52


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    Windows 8, 2012, 7, 2008R2, 2008, 2003, XP,SUSE


    Yes, it was installed correctly but it won't show up in the apps nor could it be searched by using the name. I have done this about 15 times with the same result. Why? I installed SQL 2012 and then VS so I have to search for SQL data tools in order to open up Microsoft's own programming tool. Same thing will happen after I install Microsoft Office and want to program some VBA. There isn't an executable called Visual Studio because it is a shell. Mind you a very expensive shell. If you are a developer, you have to decide if you will be a SQL developer or a VS developer when setting up the system.
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  3. #53


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    Windows 8, 2012, 7, 2008R2, 2008, 2003, XP,SUSE


    It is difficult to find the charms when working with RDP or an other form of remote connection unless you are full screen. I have a lot of servers that I take care of at the same time and need to see several servers opened at the same time so I and most people in IT rarely open up a server full screen.
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  4. #54


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    Server 2012 / 8.0


    Interesting work turbofish. Well done. Server activities are best carried out in Win32 for now. There is still plenty of screen real estate to deposit icons on the desktop with the option to hide them.
    Also, the taskbar is a very useful work tool. (as one is quite aware - thanks)

    Servers are typically not used as workstations and do not usually have a great need for frivolous activities.
    There are a few around here that like to use Server as a workstation, I cannot speak for them.

    The existence of metro in Server is more for high end visibility live tiles and other compatible links.
    There is some utility to Operating Systems using WinRT in Windows Server 2012,
    but that is beyond the scope of this forum or thread.

    Your skills are in demand and I wish you the best of luck with them .
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  5. #55


    USA, Idaho
    Posts : 1,062
    Win 8, (VM win7, XP, Vista)


    To all Pro Microsoft Windows 8 users; why do you continue to feed the windows 8 haters. You are playing right into their hands. You are stroking their ego. Yes, you are doing exactly what they you want to do. You might be surprise what would happen if you stopped playing their game.

    No one is forcing anyone to use Windows 8, "No One." No one is forcing them to buy Modern Apps from the Windows Store. No one is forcing them to use the Start Screen (it can be disabled).

    Unless you really enjoy playing their game then continue on with your need to defend Windows 8.
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  6. #56


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    And there's also the fact that fewer and fewer people were using the start menu versus using the Windows 7 Taskbar and jumplists.
    So thinks Microsoft, but not the makers of Classic Shell, Start8 etc and the millions of people downloading and using the start button replacement.
    So thinks a minority of Windows 8 users....
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  7. #57


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    Windows 8, 2012, 7, 2008R2, 2008, 2003, XP,SUSE


    Frivolous activities? I'm a DBA and these are the tools that I must install on the server in order to work! And no, I'm not a Windows 8 hater. Again, I have been running windows 8 since the early beta on my laptop since it first came available and have run all versions until it went gold. There are some great features [love Hyper-V and miss it when I have to use work VM] but it doesn't take in consideration people who really have to work with a PC and not a tablet into consideration. Metro is a total joke. I have 8 'pages' of icons all thrown in together. I have SQL icons next to Office icons with a other applications thrown in without any real logic. For those who have a lot of applications installed, it makes it unusable. How many times will I ever need GUID generator [office 2013] and why is it next to my Mozila icon? Of course if I had a start button, everything would be accessible in a Just how is this making using a PC easier? Why have they done away with the tree-structure system of finding applications that they have had since DOS 2.0?
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  8. #58


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    To all Pro Microsoft Windows 8 users; why do you continue to feed the windows 8 haters. You are playing right into their hands. You are stroking their ego. Yes, you are doing exactly what they you want to do. You might be surprise what would happen if you stopped playing their game.

    No one is forcing anyone to use Windows 8, "No One." No one is forcing them to buy Modern Apps from the Windows Store. No one is forcing them to use the Start Screen (it can be disabled).

    Unless you really enjoy playing their game then continue on with your need to defend Windows 8.
    Not sure who you are referring to, but to me, it is like badminton, volleyball or some other sport.
    As for stroking egos, my point of view is that my status is equal to others. I will never say that how I use a computer is superior to how someone else does. It is a little annoying when the h8ters say that the desktop is everything and the metro is useless. I just try to mind my own business and move on.

    Perhaps it is forum sports, ... I was never good at sports anyway.
    As a defender of 8, I guess I am a loser. But, what else is there... I guess the trick, is, to not get banned.
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  9. #59


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    And there's also the fact that fewer and fewer people were using the start menu versus using the Windows 7 Taskbar and jumplists.
    So thinks Microsoft, but not the makers of Classic Shell, Start8 etc and the millions of people downloading and using the start button replacement.
    So thinks a minority of Windows 8 users....
    And Microsoft executives? http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/ma...-it-windows-78
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  10. #60


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    Quote Originally Posted by turbofish View Post
    Frivolous activities? I'm a DBA and these are the tools that I must install on the server in order to work! And no, I'm not a Windows 8 hater. Again, I have been running windows 8 since the early beta on my laptop since it first came available and have run all versions until it went gold. There are some great features [love Hyper-V and miss it when I have to use work VM] but it doesn't take in consideration people who really have to work with a PC and not a tablet into consideration. Metro is a total joke. I have 8 'pages' of icons all thrown in together. I have SQL icons next to Office icons with a other applications thrown in without any real logic. For those who have a lot of applications installed, it makes it unusable. How many times will I ever need GUID generator [office 2013] and why is it next to my Mozila icon? Of course if I had a start button, everything would be accessible in a Just how is this making using a PC easier? Why have they done away with the tree-structure system of finding applications that they have had since DOS 2.0?
    No one is commenting on you personally sir. You are a Data Base Administrator. That's great. Your view is your own and the ability to stay on the desktop is available to users of Windows 8 or Server 2012. The desktop has all the features necessary to complete your tasks. Stating the metro is a joke is an unfair characterization based on your personal experience and preference. Everyone does not agree with you. From your description, the system in question seems rather sloppy. You have 8 pages of icons where? On the start screen? That is completely unnecessary. The all apps area is where the organization exists. Perhaps the arrangements could be improved. How do you mean they have done away with tree structure? The file explorer should be your source for server work.

    The metro is poorly utilized if the all apps area is duplicated on the start screen. Your tiles should be unpinned. Needed links should be pinned to the taskbar or desktop.
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