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Start button to re-appear in Windows Blue (From W7 Forum)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    I would be surprised if they made Aero transparency available again.

    There is problem with battery life.

    If they make transparency available on laptop/desktops - then tablet users get a second class experience.

    Uh oh - the answer is to remove it from both.


    Quote Originally Posted by gzt7d8 View Post
    Thank you!


    ps: Can you please return my Aero too, I've seem to lost that too!
    Aero transparency LITERALLY occupies less than 10 percent of the total Desktop UI. If you are seriously concerned over something so menial as that, I doubt you're doing the Windows thing right, there isn't a focus of the chrome in Windows 8 at all. There shouldn't had been to begin with. You don't go to an art gallery to admire the frames that the pieces of work are in do you? No. Content over chrome. Not chrome over content.
    Hi there
    Your Art Gallery analogy isn't that good.

    I remember visiting the "Tate Modern" galley in London not too long ago -- they re-furbished an old Classical Power station (Bankside which powered part of the London Tube) and created the modern art gallery.

    My first impression (mind you being an Old Fashioned Engineer I probably would have been expected to have these sentiments) was to think

    "Lovely old Building -- Shame about the "Art" inside. !! -- Anyway if you have time read the link on Bankside.

    Greater London Industrial Archaeology Society

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Aero transparency LITERALLY occupies less than 10 percent of the total Desktop UI. If you are seriously concerned over something so menial as that, I doubt you're doing the Windows thing right, there isn't a focus of the chrome in Windows 8 at all. There shouldn't had been to begin with. You don't go to an art gallery to admire the frames that the pieces of work are in do you? No. Content over chrome. Not chrome over content.
    On the flip side though, aren't you the same person who practically wets his pants over how awesome looking the new UI is and how modern looking and sophisticated it is. That seems to be a focus on the chrome over the content.
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  3. #63


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    DirectX isn't going away anytime soon. Microsoft stated otherwise, it would be pretty difficult to not have DirectX and expect PC gaming.
    Well, nobody said, that dx will die, i just dont see a big need for new versions of dx for lets say 5-10 years, they should let game developers to catch up.
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    If this is true this will be great especially if we don't have to go to the metro screen at all. However as someone stated earlier the issue is not the start button being gone but the visual cues and place where it's easy to navigate. The start screen works well in touch but it relies too heavily on hidden points in the screen and windows 8 contains hidden menus. It would have been just as good if they just made things easier to access. I mean after all isn't that what Microsoft is raving about with the ribbon interface? Yet on the actual system and system functions it's actually more difficult to access simple things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Aero transparency LITERALLY occupies less than 10 percent of the total Desktop UI. If you are seriously concerned over something so menial as that, I doubt you're doing the Windows thing right, there isn't a focus of the chrome in Windows 8 at all. There shouldn't had been to begin with. You don't go to an art gallery to admire the frames that the pieces of work are in do you? No. Content over chrome. Not chrome over content.
    On the flip side though, aren't you the same person who practically wets his pants over how awesome looking the new UI is and how modern looking and sophisticated it is. That seems to be a focus on the chrome over the content.
    The thing in this situation is how modern and clean the UI looks WITHOUT chrome or superfluous over the top faux design.

    But I do see your flipside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I don't really see where Microsoft ends up with too much egg on their face if they bring this menu back. They can say all they want about how nobody wanted it, but the complaints from those who did rang out very loudly.

    It's clear that others are completely satisfied with the new 8 interface and even use the new apps. There are those like me, that although on 8 on my new laptop, I spend 99.95% of my time in classic desktop apps. I find the new apps "pretty simplistic". They look pretty, but are a bit on the simplistic side. I pretty much never use them. Having my entire screen consumed is simply not desirable.
    But do you use a third party start menu on the Desktop?
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  7. #67


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I don't really see where Microsoft ends up with too much egg on their face if they bring this menu back. They can say all they want about how nobody wanted it, but the complaints from those who did rang out very loudly.

    It's clear that others are completely satisfied with the new 8 interface and even use the new apps. There are those like me, that although on 8 on my new laptop, I spend 99.95% of my time in classic desktop apps. I find the new apps "pretty simplistic". They look pretty, but are a bit on the simplistic side. I pretty much never use them. Having my entire screen consumed is simply not desirable.
    But do you use a third party start menu on the Desktop?
    Yes, absolutely I do. I use Start8 by Stardock and it allows option to boot straight to desktop. Most people would have no idea whatsoever that 8 is on my laptop, you never seen any indication that it's there.

    Since things are either shortcuts on my desktops, or taskbar pins, my start button is not heavily used. I use it mainly to
    1. initiate shutdown or logoff
    2. get to control panel/printers
    3. I use the search box at the bottom to launch apps like cmd, calc, notepad, snipping tool,
    4. To get to less frequently used apps, that were recently used and most likely in the recently used apps list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tseven View Post
    If this is true this will be great especially if we don't have to go to the metro screen at all. However as someone stated earlier the issue is not the start button being gone but the visual cues and place where it's easy to navigate. The start screen works well in touch but it relies too heavily on hidden points in the screen and windows 8 contains hidden menus. It would have been just as good if they just made things easier to access. I mean after all isn't that what Microsoft is raving about with the ribbon interface? Yet on the actual system and system functions it's actually more difficult to access simple things.
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  9. #69


    Lee mentioned the third party apps to put a start button back onto Windows 8. I did do that for a few customers but most of them disliked 8 so much they wanted it totally replaced with 7.
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    Can't say I am surprised to hear that.

    I only know of one person who bought an 8 machine. He now has win 7 instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by cflusflwfl View Post
    Lee mentioned the third party apps to put a start button back onto Windows 8. I did do that for a few customers but most of them disliked 8 so much they wanted it totally replaced with 7.
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