Start button to re-appear in Windows Blue (From W7 Forum)

Interesting. Though it matters little to me, there are those that would jump on the chance to see the Start Bottom back. The only thing I would be interested in is the return of Aero (sorry just like the looks of Aero).

Though if Microsoft does bring it back won't that upset developers who have made a good deal of money from the sales of third party Start Bottoms. . .:what:
 

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If they want it to sell better.

Quite bizarre they didn't do that in the first place.
 

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Interesting question: Which one will be default..:think: I guess this is an easy one.

Although I'm with Lee: it matters little to me. :cool:
To me, the menu worked fine when I used it, the screen works fine now.
 

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Interesting. Though it matters little to me, there are those that would jump on the chance to see the Start Bottom back. The only thing I would be interested in is the return of Aero (sorry just like the looks of Aero).

Though if Microsoft does bring it back won't that upset developers who have made a good deal of money from the sales of third party Start Bottoms. . .:what:

Yep....me being one of those users....but mine was gifted to me...using start8 and modernmix....in conjunction with the start menu...so I've got the best of both worlds...
 

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I'm no fan of the Modern UI as it stands. But even I think bringing back the Start button might be a mistake.

What I think MS should do is work out why people dislike the removal of Start button (apart from "it's different"), work out what's good about it, and attempt to bring those features into the Modern UI.

For instance one thing which I see is good about the Start button is that in Windows 7 and earlier, it's a point of reference which is (with few exceptions) always there and you can always see it. So for people who don't use computers that often, it makes it easier to navigate because you can always go back to it, and the taskbar.

(Interestingly my Windows Phone, and I'm guess perhaps also the Surfaces(?) have a hardware button with the Windows Flag symbol outside the screen, which of course is always visible to the user. I think this is along the lines of how I'm thinking, but obviously you lose that on a conventional desktop or laptop).

I know people like the look and style of Modern UI, but it shouldn't be beyond the resources of Microsoft to devise a way to keep most of that look and style but still improve it (and of course to allow multiple windows!).
 

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There is no doubt having boot to desktop AND a start menu will help sales.

The point is to drive the os from the desktop when appropriate, or from mobile phone interface UI . Whichever is right for the device one is using.

They could do well with that.

As it is now - they are repelling potential buyers.

For those who don't know, the golden rule in a nutshell:

1) Don't worry about those who like the product

2) Pay a lot of attention to those who don't like it - and fix the dealbreakers.
 

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using start8 and modernmix....in conjunction with the start menu...so I've got the best of both worlds...

There you go.

MS should provide both worlds to start with.

I expect there will be the loopy few posting up they already do and other self delusions.
 

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Matters very little to me. I've been off the start menu since September 2011 and have little need to go back to it.
 

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Yes, maybe Microsoft has finally realised that it's far more important to listen to your critics than your fans. Maybe there really are more critics than fans. Maybe they realised that their customer experience program isn't a reliable source of information for design planning. Maybe their bottom line is really hurting and someone has suggested, 'what if..?'.
 

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It may accelerate Windows 8 adoption by a considerable part of potential consumers, but it's not that important now. It should have been an option since the beginning.


:)
 

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I doubt they will actually do so. There was once a rumored switch between the Release Preview and RTM that allowed boot to the Desktop, but that never happened. A start menu at this point would really undercut everything they have done so far just to provide a temporary crutch from the old to new.
 

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I doubt they will actually do so. There was once a rumored switch between the Release Preview and RTM that allowed boot to the Desktop, but that never happened. A start menu at this point would really undercut everything they have done so far just to provide a temporary crutch from the old to new.

There is no 'old' and 'new'. Its simply two interfaces :p. The mobile and desktop interface. The sooner they realize that, the better. They've tried shoehorning people into using the mobile interface, and its clear they're refusing to go. They can either keep shoveling s**t against the tide, or fix it.
 

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I'm no fan of the Modern UI as it stands. But even I think bringing back the Start button might be a mistake.

What I think MS should do is work out why people dislike the removal of Start button (apart from "it's different"), work out what's good about it, and attempt to bring those features into the Modern UI.

What MS should do is realize its two separate interfaces and not one. Even in your response there its clear that you don't seem to understand that its two separate interfaces. Why do people dislike the removal? Because they don't like having to go to a separate interface to run programs. Why, if I want to run a desktop program, do I have to go to a full screen mobile interface, select it, just to pop back to the desktop interface? Whats good about that? Nothing.

So it isn't a matter of integrating the Start Menu into the Modern UI, its a matter of not having any good reason to go to the Mobile Interface at all, if you're not running off a tablet, or simply using it as a media device. Simply crippling and removing the Start Button doesn't magically cause people to automatically use the mobile interface for their needs, any more than amputating your leg and giving you an artificial one suddenly makes you good at running.
 

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I'm no fan of the Modern UI as it stands. But even I think bringing back the Start button might be a mistake.

What I think MS should do is work out why people dislike the removal of Start button (apart from "it's different"), work out what's good about it, and attempt to bring those features into the Modern UI.

What MS should do is realize its two separate interfaces and not one. Even in your response there its clear that you don't seem to understand that its two separate interfaces. Why do people dislike the removal? Because they don't like having to go to a separate interface to run programs. Why, if I want to run a desktop program, do I have to go to a full screen mobile interface, select it, just to pop back to the desktop interface? Whats good about that? Nothing.

So it isn't a matter of integrating the Start Menu into the Modern UI, its a matter of not having any good reason to go to the Mobile Interface at all, if you're not running off a tablet, or simply using it as a media device. Simply crippling and removing the Start Button doesn't magically cause people to automatically use the mobile interface for their needs, any more than amputating your leg and giving you an artificial one suddenly makes you good at running.

Hi there
I agree with you but the "Artificial legs" analogy isn't a good one -- Ever heard of Oscar Pistorius -- screenshot enc. This guy would beat about 90% of "normal" people over anything up to 400 metres without batting an eyelid.

It's likely in the future that artificial limbs and bionic implants could actually IMPROVE on the natural ones -- we are almost reaching that point with some artificial hands etc and this is only the very beginning of this type of technology.

Cheers
jimbo
 

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I bet most people out there don't even know the Start Button was taken away.

I bet fewer still care either way about wether it should be there or not.

These are issues that only power users and media attack dogs have any real passion about.
 

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I bet most people out there don't even know the Start Button was taken away.

I bet fewer still care either way about wether it should be there or not.

These are issues that only power users and media attack dogs have any real passion about.

Anyone going from any recent version of Windows prior to 8 won't even know the start button is gone? The few that do notice don't care? And an even fewer number that do notice and care are only power users and media attacks dogs?

Are you serious?
 

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This will only matter to those who held back getting it. For us, current users, we know our way around it already. So, yeah... maybe this is for Microsoft gain.
BTW, is this going to be an update or something we need to pay for? :shock:
 

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You're welcome to have your legs removed if you like Jimbo.
 

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