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Will Windows 8.1 allow users to boot to desktop?

  1. #41


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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    The Start Screen already is a start menu....
    Uh, no it ain't. It's Metro. If you are gonna use Metro Only I suppose it's fine. But if you are gonna use Desktop only, Desktop falls way short, unless you modify it by making useful shortcut toolbars or by installing a 3rd party Orb.
    Yes it is. Here we go with the Monty Python stuff. Windows 8 has a start menu whether or not you believe it exists. Even if all work is desktop only, the apps area is not difficult to use. The start screen is an added bonus for quick execution of links and information via live tiles. I don't care if one has 1000 installed programs, the start screen hot key search is faster than searching nests. The requirement to modify to make the desktop useful is in the eye of the beholder > your preference.

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  2. #42


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    So a blank start screen is not useless to me. Tiles are faster, and more informative, but I do not need them.
    Press d, select desktop, if necessary. The extra steps are of no concern to me.

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    It's underlined in your post:
    Something useful... that you don't need... well then is useless.

    For the rest:
    All nice, I agree about the speed. But that's all to it. Instead of this I would prefer to go directly to the desktop because this is just another (sort of) LOCK screen or popup in the way of the user. With more items in it it will regain some value.

    But if the screen is blank then there are no fast tiles just a fast tile: the desktop.

    With just an icon it doesn't do much that's for sure.
    The worst thing, we must admit, is that no matter what we pin or unpin from it, it pops in the way, that cannot be stopped by OS means (I don't like mentioning third party helpers to this).

    So, in the end I prefer a useful pop-up screen with items rather than an empty one.

    The Start Screen how it is in 8.0:
    If it cannot be annihilated it must be assimilated.
    EDIT: the way you did it is an assimilation as well.

    Hopachi
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  3. #43


    A Finnish ex-pat in Leipzig, Germany
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Instead of this I would prefer to go directly to the desktop.
    I made a tutorial for this, how to boot directly to desktop, a few hours ago. Just waiting admins to accept it for publishing, I will post the link here when it is published.

    Kari
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  4. #44


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post

    Second, my preference, although no one asked, , is to basically not use any tiles unless I need them.
    The start screen interface, so to speak, is a hot bed of hot keys. Press a key, select from a list. Big Wup.
    So a blank start screen is not useless to me. Tiles are faster, and more informative, but I do not need them.
    Press d, select desktop, if necessary. The extra steps are of no concern to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    It's underlined in your post: Something useful... that you don't need... well then is useless.
    What part of my statement did I say

    Something useful... that you don't need
    I said I don't need them (tiles), yes, but the start screen is a hot key immersive window. The hot key access to all apps is the Windows 8 WinRT start menu for the entire Operating System. I think many, which I will never be able to explain to, will disbelieve and reject the notion and reality that the desktop in Windows 8 is an immersive app and not a UI.
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  5. #45


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    I suggest that if anyone needs to be on the desktop all the time, then feel free to modify and stay there. Add whatever you need, boot to the desktop via tricks, hacks or scripts, whatever. Install an orb, load up the desktop with icons, plaster your taskbar with 30 icons, add 5 or 6 toolbars, and enable your metro blockers. That's fine.


    I don't have any ax to grind. Use whatever tool you need. Boo hoo > just don't call my stuff useless.
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  6. #46


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    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post

    Second, my preference, although no one asked, , is to basically not use any tiles unless I need them.
    The start screen interface, so to speak, is a hot bed of hot keys. Press a key, select from a list. Big Wup.
    So a blank start screen is not useless to me. Tiles are faster, and more informative, but I do not need them.
    Press d, select desktop, if necessary. The extra steps are of no concern to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    It's underlined in your post: Something useful... that you don't need... well then is useless.
    What part of my statement did I say

    Something useful... that you don't need
    I said I don't need them (tiles), yes, but the start screen is a hot key immersive window. The hot key access to all apps is the Windows 8 WinRT start menu for the entire Operating System. I think many, which I will never be able to explain to, will disbelieve and reject the notion and reality that the desktop in Windows 8 is an immersive app and not a UI.
    "[I]f you want to stay permanently immersed in that Metro world, you will never see the desktop—we won’t even load it (literally the code will not be loaded) unless you explicitly choose to go there! This is Windows reimagined.

    But if you do see value in the desktop experience — in precise control, in powerful windowing and file management, in compatibility with hundreds of thousands of existing programs and devices, in support of your business software, those capabilities are right at your fingertips as well. You don’t need to change to a different device if you want to edit photos or movies professionally, create documents for your job or school, manage a large corpus of media or data, or get done the infinite number of things people do with a PC today. And if you don’t want to do any of those "PC" things, then you don’t have to and you’re not paying for them in memory, battery life, or hardware requirements. If you do want or need this functionality, then you can switch to it with ease and fluidity because Windows is right there. Essentially, you can think of the Windows desktop as just another app." ~ Steve Sinofsky

    I think you're a little confused. The desktop and Metro are separate and I have yet to see anything verified otherwise, and the mention of the desktop being an app wasn't a literal statement. Except to say that to the thing you click on in Metro to switch to Desktop is an app. Your overuse of the word "immersive" I find amusing. Show me a published explanation that says that Desktop mode is an app - that runs programs.

    Why are you arguing a moot point in a thread about booting right to desktop anyway? You whine that people don't see it your way, you whine about people complaining about Windows 8 in "pro" Windows 8 threads, yet when something is suggested to possibly happen that those people want you repeatedly post in that thread against it. Hypocrisy is awesome. If you don't want to boot to desktop - then don't - have fun in lego land. It's not hurting your precious Start Screen to allow people to bypass it.
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  7. #47


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Instead of this I would prefer to go directly to the desktop.
    I made a tutorial for this, how to boot directly to desktop, a few hours ago. Just waiting admins to accept it for publishing, I will post the link here when it is published.

    Kari
    Here's the tutorial: Desktop - Boot Directy to using a Scheduled Task
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  8. #48


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    When have I ever whined about anything?

    I think you're a little confused.
    Show me a published explanation that says that Desktop mode is an app - that runs programs.
    I can post technical details but there is no point. Can you close a UI? I can continue this discussion for hours but it is not the thread subject. I am not arguing about what someone likes versus my preference. Like I said, you can boot to the desktop, but leave my preferences alone. Why get unnecessarily pointed? What I like, you don't. It's that simple, So why rag on my preference?

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    I say do what you like, what you need, use what you like, use what you need, but leave my interest in fine operating system alone.
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  9. #49


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    I am not going to try and explain one million lines of code to someone who does not appreciate the complexity of one million lines of code. The low information types would not even comprehend a flowchart of usability. How does one explain code engineering to a disgruntled enduser? There are too many hard core deskophiles to bring to the table. Even an office presentation of technical schematics would probably be ineffective due to emotional barriers.

    Hopefully 8.1 or 8.5 or 9 will boot to the desktop with a start menu. Even so, someone will complain about something. Use the provided solutions to get there.
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  10. #50


    Will M$ allow us to boot straight to the desktop NOT likely.

    The upshot? If you don't like the Start screen, you're likely going to have to use one of the many third-party tools to bypass it, and not rely on Microsoft for help.
    Will Windows Blue let you boot right to the Windows 8 Desktop? | Computerworld Blogs
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