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Will Windows 8.1 allow users to boot to desktop?

  1. #21


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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    ...And btw, 'easier' can be quite a subjective thing to measure. 'Easier' tends to be whatever method you
    (as in people in general) use that you're most comfortable with...
    It really is a genie that Microsoft cannot put back in the bottle. Ever.
    This is very true. Easier is based on preference. I have to reply with a blanket statement sometimes because the opposition does the same. From what I have read, there really is going to be a trend to reduce the marketing and development of Win32 based desktop applications. The path, that is apparently in motion, is to promote WinRT code development and over the very long term phase out Win32. It is anyones guess where this will lead, but it is most likely the case that new code technologies will rule over older styles.

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  2. #22


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    So why even argue about it?
    You obviously don't understand the difference between arguing and simply agreeing to a statement. Who would have guessed? Anyway, this should help, or not: Argument Clinic from Monty Python - YouTube.
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  3. #23


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    I've just perfected the Windows 8 'Start' screen:

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  4. #24


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    So why even argue about it?
    You obviously don't understand the difference between arguing and simply agreeing to a statement. Who would have guessed? Anyway, this should help, or not: Argument Clinic from Monty Python - YouTube.
    No, I'm talking about what's the point of having internet forums for Windows 8 JUST to have dozens of threads of people debating and arguing things about Windows 8 that are so bloody irrelevant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    No, I'm talking about what's the point of having internet forums for Windows 8 JUST to have dozens of threads of people debating and arguing things about Windows 8 that are so bloody irrelevant?
    Maybe we have dozens of threads discussing these issues because people believe that they are relevant. Has that thought ever crossed your mind?
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  6. #26


    We as societies have gone mobile. This is not to say that the desktop tower work station is not important. It has started to play second fiddle to mobile devices. That's what is selling and people are using more of. The Surfaces were introduced to simply add more power to the pad. It may be that lappies and hybrids may win out in this department. They may be the ones that makes the tower obsolete. Seems to me that servers are the work horse of enterprise. Yes?

    The very main reason MS introduced the new RT Modern/Metro touch-centric NAVIGATIONAL UI is for a common OS to run across multiple devices, especially mobile, in conjunction with Windows Phone 8. This is a new NAVIGATIONAL layer of the kernel to NAVIGATE with. Modern/Metro Store apps are also written in this new interface. The desktop continues to be a Win32 portal of the Win32 layer that continues to exist for the time to run Win32 programs during a transitional period until all software is written in the new interface.

    When entered into the desktop portal the old Win32 is the NAVIGATIONAL layer there. The Task Bar to pin and to make menus there continue to exist for navigation. When all software is written in the new interface this will be stripped out. This is not an "if", it is a "when".

    The Start Menu was removed because YOU and I, more often than not, didn't use it and MS needed a launching platform for touch. The Start Screen, All Apps, and apps also work great with traditional peripherals including keyboard shortcuts.

    Designing the Start screen

    The second reason for the introduction of the new WinRT Modern/Metro UI and Modern apps is to MAKE MORE MONEY via a store. That's what companies/corps are in business for. PROFIT. We all strive to make more of it. Money makes the world go round. If one doesn't think so, try living without it. One's only other choice is to find a cave and survive off of nature.

    I know what you're thinking...."MS is going to soak us for a lot more money now!" No they won't. As a supposed "monopoly" I think they have always been fair on pricing. If one doesn't think so, show me a time they weren't.

    I rest my case.
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    We all know that Microsoft wants their OS to have a common mobile phone interface, even when people aren't using a mobile phone. On the otherhand, the OS isn't 'common'. Windows 8 does not run on a mobile phone, RT does not run on a mobile phone, the mobile phone OS does not run on the former.

    All that is common is a GUI. Is that necessary? No. Is that desirable? For many, no. Is a desktop without it any less useful? No. Is a desktop with it any less useful? No. Is it necessary to force it on everyone? No.

    Microsoft has done a Henry Ford, who is purported to have said: 'You can have any colour car you want, as long as it's black'.
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  8. #28


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    We all know that Microsoft wants their OS to have a common mobile phone interface, even when people aren't using a mobile phone. On the otherhand, the OS isn't 'common'. Windows 8 does not run on a mobile phone, RT does not run on a mobile phone, the mobile phone OS does not run on the former.
    A. You need glasses.
    B. You don't understand the complete English language.
    C. You didn't read my post thoroughly enough to comprehend it.

    "In conjugation with Windows phone 8"

    All that is common is a GUI. Is that necessary? No.
    Yes it is for the common folk to be familiar with the GUI no matter what device they use. Not just for us geeks/enthusiasts that know multiple systems. We are but a very small percentage.

    Is that desirable? For many, no.
    Your opinion is not the final word. References please. I showed you recently where the forum polls are.

    Is a desktop without it any less useful? No. Is a desktop with it any less useful? No.
    Enjoy your precious desktop for now. It's on it's way out.

    Is it necessary to force it on everyone? No.
    MS or anyone else have a gun pointing at your head?

    Microsoft has done a Henry Ford, who is purported to have said: 'You can have any colour car you want, as long as it's black'.
    Yes, he was referring to the Model A which he mass produced in black to keep the cost down to be affordable to the masses. He sold millions of them. Perhaps MS is attempting to achieve the same.

    Can we please have the pretty lady with the sign circling the ring for round two?
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  9. #29


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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    A. You need glasses.
    B. You don't understand the complete English language.
    C. You didn't read my post thoroughly enough to comprehend it.

    "In conjugation with Windows phone 8"
    Check out what 'in conjunction' means.

    Yes it is for the common folk to be familiar with the GUI no matter what device they use. Not just for us geeks/enthusiasts that know multiple systems. We are but a very small percentage.
    Who are these common folk that you speak of?

    Your opinion is not the final word. References please. I showed you recently where the forum polls are.
    You assign too much gravity to my words, they are but opinions. But thank you none the less.

    Enjoy your precious desktop for now. It's on it's way out.
    That's a very interesting prognosis. And you keep asking me for references!

    MS or anyone else have a gun pointing at your head?
    But that's what's being implied, even your responses indicate that there's no choice forthcoming ie desktop on its way out.

    Yes, he was referring to the Model A which he mass produced in black to keep the cost down to be affordable to the masses. He sold millions of them. Perhaps MS is attempting to achieve the same.
    People appear to want choice nowadays, be it the colour of the car, the wheels, upholstery and whatever else. Is Microsoft going back to Henry Ford's day of only one choice off the production line?

    Can we please have the pretty lady with the sign circling the ring for round two?
    We may have to wait for a while for the cleaning crew to wash the gypsie's blood off the canvas.
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  10. #30


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    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    Wait.... that would mean that all those shrill voices of the pro-metro fanclub were, what's the word I'm looking for....


    ....oh yea.... wrong...
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