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Microsoft's Windows 8 approach: Bold, arrogant, or both?

  1. #81


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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    The availability of information at a glance, the ability to easily use touch interaction, the smooth operation of the interface, clean design... how many points need to be made?
    Information at a glance: Only if set to your own design and you use it constantly, but no more effective than what is available in Windows 7.

    Touch interaction: Only if you have touch enabled desktop screen, sit close enough to reach the screen and want to do simple tasks, so no more effective than mouse or keyboard and, in many cases, less effective.

    Smooth operation: Very subjective and for many quite the opposite by having to return to a full screen menu when accessing programs on a desktop.

    Clean design: Again very subjective, some see it as simplistic, child like, an actual failure of clean design.

    You need to make points that cannot be easily demolished.

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  2. #82


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    A laptop/desktop is not the same as a small tablet/phone.

    It is possible some may not need a laptop/desktop and can get by with a phone.

    Just like some can get by with a bicycle and don't buy a car.

    However, a car and a bicycle are not the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Do you get it now?
    You are talking about the definition of what a PC is.
    That's where there is a conflict. A Personal Computer is more than a production device.
    So is an 11 inch tablet different than an 11 inch ultrabook/netbook?
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  3. #83


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    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    The availability of information at a glance, the ability to easily use touch interaction, the smooth operation of the interface, clean design... how many points need to be made?
    Information at a glance: Only if set to your own design and you use it constantly, but no more effective than what is available in Windows 7.

    Touch interaction: Only if you have touch enabled desktop screen, sit close enough to reach the screen and want to do simple tasks, so no more effective than mouse or keyboard and, in many cases, less effective.

    Smooth operation: Very subjective and for many quite the opposite by having to return to a full screen menu when accessing programs on a desktop.

    Clean design: Again very subjective, some see it as simplistic, child like, an actual failure of clean design.

    You need to make points that cannot be easily demolished.
    I think Luna and Aero both looked way more child-oriented than either metro or the new metrofied desktop.
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  4. #84


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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I think desktop themes created by using the likes of rainmeter look far more futuristic.
    I thought we were talking about functionality? If it's about looking "futuristic"/h4x0r friendly, then I'm sure there's probably some ridiculous hollywood-made film computer interface that fits the bill better than any of them.
    You said futuristic. What other than the stupid MPI can anyone think you are talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I think desktop themes created by using the likes of rainmeter look far more futuristic.
    A theme is like facial cosmetics.
    And the MPI is the worst application of facial cosmetics ever.
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  5. #85


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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    I don't think it's really arrogance, because I don't think they made the change for their own sake (at least from their perspective) They did it because that's where computing is going, and sometimes people need to be brought kicking and screaming into the future.
    Kind of a miserable future if that is all they can cough up.
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  6. #86


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    The availability of information at a glance, the ability to easily use touch interaction, the smooth operation of the interface, clean design... how many points need to be made?
    Information at a glance: Only if set to your own design and you use it constantly, but no more effective than what is available in Windows 7.

    Touch interaction: Only if you have touch enabled desktop screen, sit close enough to reach the screen and want to do simple tasks, so no more effective than mouse or keyboard and, in many cases, less effective.

    Smooth operation: Very subjective and for many quite the opposite by having to return to a full screen menu when accessing programs on a desktop.

    Clean design: Again very subjective, some see it as simplistic, child like, an actual failure of clean design.

    You need to make points that cannot be easily demolished.
    Information at a "glance" by hitting F5 or Refresh: Having five different internet browser tabs open defeats the purpose of Windows in its existence.

    Touch interaction: Works best on laptops, tablets, and low lying touch displays on top of a desktop to do advanced things such as editing digital images in Photoshop.

    Smooth operation: Very subjective point on your behalf, when the Start Screen is a start menu. So what if it covers the Desktop? One would have to be very dim witted to not remember what they were doing in two seconds.

    Clean design: Subjective yes, as some prefer modern architecture over the Craftsmen or Victorian style, others prefer the latter. Some like the fact in Windows 8, as well as the metro design concept, it is content over chrome. You don't go to the Louvre or other art gallery to admire the picture frames around the works of art, as usually there aren't any to begin with.

    You also need to make points that aren't easily rendered subjected/easily crapped on.
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  7. #87


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    The availability of information at a glance, the ability to easily use touch interaction, the smooth operation of the interface, clean design... how many points need to be made?
    Information at a glance: Only if set to your own design and you use it constantly, but no more effective than what is available in Windows 7.

    Touch interaction: Only if you have touch enabled desktop screen, sit close enough to reach the screen and want to do simple tasks, so no more effective than mouse or keyboard and, in many cases, less effective.

    Smooth operation: Very subjective and for many quite the opposite by having to return to a full screen menu when accessing programs on a desktop.

    Clean design: Again very subjective, some see it as simplistic, child like, an actual failure of clean design.

    You need to make points that cannot be easily demolished.
    I think Luna and Aero both looked way more child-oriented than either metro or the new metrofied desktop.
    True that!
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  8. #88


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    You need to make points that cannot be easily demolished.
    Your easily demolished counter points are irrelevant since you do not need the features of the start screen.

    Guess what: some folks only use 1 operating system at a time.
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  9. #89


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    And therein lies the rub. It would appear, by far, that those who like what Microsoft is doing, are outnumbered significantly by those that don't. It's all subjective, but then that's what drives everything when it comes to what people like and don't like. Windows 8 is such a roaring success, or could have been, if only Microsoft had listened to the majority, rather than the minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    And therein lies the rub. It would appear, by far, that those who like what Microsoft is doing, are outnumbered significantly by those that don't. It's all subjective, but then that's what drives everything when it comes to what people like and don't like. Windows 8 is such a roaring success, or could have been, if only Microsoft had listened to the majority, rather than the minority.
    How would have Windows 8 been a roaring success if it was just Windows 7.1? What would be the point about upgrading to that if 7 works just fine?
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