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Microsoft's Windows 8 approach: Bold, arrogant, or both?

  1. #41


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    [QUOTE=Coke Robot;220602]
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post

    But you can do everything you want on your traditional desktop interface, as people have been doing for years; you don't need Windows 8 or the MPI. Microsoft's intent is that you do buy a Windows Phone, you buy a Windows tablet you buy Windows 8 and kneel before the MPI.
    Oh boy this is the most absurd thing I've heard in a while....

    So I guess Windows xp and 7 tablets were just such hot sellers?
    There is probably some truth to what the man says. Part of the MS strategy must be to sell their new gear. It would be unnatural if that was not their intent. And there is nothing wrong with that.

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  2. #42


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    I say both, one could argue. Honestly, Microsoft already has a pretty good OS with Windows 7 (pretty good, not great) that has sold in record numbers in such a short time span that will be supported until 2020-2022 about there; on the desktop form factor. That's the big thing there, because Windows 7 as much as it was designed for touch (notice the large window control buttons, the larger Taskbar, and a few other touch UI improvements over vista) didn't take hold really at all on the current generation of tablet PCs. It's kind of like how Bill Gates said that Windows Mobile wasn't taken to certain places before ios did, such as an app store or multimedia marketplace among other things. Windows 7 doesn't cut it for the tablet or even touch form factor that well. Windows 7 is already solidified pretty well on the desktop and laptop.

    Now enter Windows 8, designed for "new" PCs, new PCs meaning tablet PCs since the Windows tablet has been around for a good decade but never came to being known until 8. Windows 8 has the things needed for a proper touch and tablet experience while at the same time keeping the things Windows 7 improved upon. This one here is the gamble as it's kindling a new PC form factor of the tablet as well as propelling touch on other traditional form factors. Microsoft has the will to do that and the ability to do so rather safely as people who really H8 Windows 8 can just buy Windows 7, no loss to them basically. People that love Windows 8 stay on 8. If they have it installed on an existing PC, that's a gain to them but loss to the modern PC market. If someone buys a new Windows 8 tablet PC, they may give up their old laptop or desktop for the tablet. Or they may even buy Windows 8 to install over on their existing PC, but prefer the touch aspect of the tablet.

    Windows 8 is also essentially wrapping the old into the new. Windows 7 didn't work as a tablet OS because it is an old UI paradigm, a start menu doesn't work very nicely with a finger. Windows 8 took the Desktop and changed the start menu to a Start Screen, old evolved to new. That's the main point with 8, it's taking the existing Windows of the '90s to Windows of the post-early 21st century.

    So it's a gamble, it's bold, possibly arrogant, but there is a strategy regardless of analyst's PC apocalypse predictions (some are really idiotic as a PC isn't regarded as a desktop anymore, it can be a laptop, tablet or desktop, something certain analysts don't understand) about Microsoft. If it'll pay off is yet to be seen, as it takes a few years before a new UI/OS is proven. Windows Phone for example here, some naysayers cry about how the metro UI of it isn't attractive to consumers. Yet, in less than six months, Windows Phone 8 got to a marketshare that took Windows Phone 7 about a year or so more. It has doubled in usage in the US, and is outselling the iphone in the top six emerging countries that shouldn't be overlooked. It is the most used platform in China, an up and coming economy that would be dreadful to miss out on. Time is what it takes.
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  3. #43


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    [QUOTE=whs;220606]
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post

    Oh boy this is the most absurd thing I've heard in a while....

    So I guess Windows xp and 7 tablets were just such hot sellers?
    There is probably some truth to what the man says. Part of the MS strategy must be to sell their new gear. It would be unnatural if that was not their intent. And there is nothing wrong with that.
    I'm not disagreeing with that aspect, I'm disagreeing with the fact that a Desktop ONLY tablet OS already failed. No OEM really built 7 tablet PCs, no one really wanted a tablet PC with 7 as pretty much no one knew of one.
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    some are really idiotic as a PC isn't regarded as a desktop anymore, it can be a laptop, tablet or desktop, something certain analysts don't understand
    They do understand.

    You could put trucks, cars and bicyles together and call them the personal transport market.

    What use is that?

    Although it is true that some use bicycles instead of car - it is not what BMW gives a great deal of consideration to when making a new car.

    Conversely, BMW might see there are huge numbers of bicycle buyers - and perhaps decide to make bikes as well.
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    These quotes are all ass backward.

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    some are really idiotic as a PC isn't regarded as a desktop anymore, it can be a laptop, tablet or desktop, something certain analysts don't understand
    They do understand.

    You could put trucks, cars and bicyles together and call them the personal transport market.

    What use is that?

    Although it is true that some use bicycles instead of car - it is not what BMW gives a great deal of consideration to when making a new car.

    Conversely, BMW might see there are huge numbers of bicycle buyers - and perhaps decide to make bikes as well.

    Do you get it now?
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  8. #48


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    Microsoft already has a pretty good OS with Windows 7 (pretty good, not great) that has sold in record numbers in such a short time span
    Coke, a 'great' OS is one that sells. And Windows 7 did sell at a rapid pace. Looking at the inventory build up of Windows 8 I doubt that it will ever sell very well - at least for the PC. And on mobile they are up against Android. They will certainly make some inroads but I doubt that they can get a significant market share - maybe their association with Nokia can help. Nokia was very popular in Europe and Asia before the demise of Symbian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    These quotes are all ass backward.

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    Yeah right. This forum editor is all mucked up anyhow. I wish they would put the editor of the sevenforums on here. At least that one works.

    Try to edit a post here where you have 2 or 3 links in the post. It is a nightmare. I made it a habit now to answer only with very simple postings. Since I always have a lot of typos, I need to be able to easily and quickly correct my postings.
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    I am wondering if anyone goes to advanced and preview their post or just post a quick reply without checking it first. The quote sources can be rearranged manually.
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