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Microsoft's Windows 8 approach: Bold, arrogant, or both?

  1. #11


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    Like I said, doesn't anyone across the pond believe in or like the "free" enterprise system?
    I know you do. Highlighting in red makes me nervous.

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    Thanks whs. This thread should get a lot of posts. Good Luck. Signing off.
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  3. #13


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd

    Like I said, doesn't anyone across the pond believe or like the "free" enterprise system?
    ............


    Sometimes I think people in the USA don't realize how many freedoms they've actually signed away for all sorts of silly reasons -- and experience shows that any suspension of "Human Rights" for any reason takes forever to restore again.
    We are well aware and we're watching as our politicians further encroach on our rights as they attempt to disarm us all the while building up police and homeland security forces up to the level of SWAT teams and Special Operations. Our constitution is being tread on and we don't like it.

    That being said, our biggest problem is the astronomical number of uneducated dumb a!@!% we have in this country that have learned that they can use their vote to get Obama phones and money from our treasury.

    Too much sacrificing freedom for security. We used to give our lives for freedom. Now we give our freedoms for life.

    I hope we hit a hard 10 years of time to remove all the chaff we have accumulated over the years.
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  4. #14


    I listened to the Windows weekly podcast and they were discussing Windows 8. They made some good points

    1. Historically, MS has been behind the curve in lots of areas. This time they are really trying to get ahead of the curve and get people onboard in the infancy with touch and such
    2. Had Microsoft just released another Windows 7 and called it Windows 8, the people would complain that MS just doesn't get it and touch screens and such are the future and they are missing the curve and have screwed up and will be too late.


    So, more or less, they cannot win.

    The other thing they discussed was the "death of the PC". As Paul Thurrott said, iPad's sell 100 million and people rave about how unbelievably outstanding sales are, but yet the PC comes in around 78 million and they declare an apocalypse. It is what it is.
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  5. #15


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    But Patrick, it would have been so easy to provide both flavors. No need to massacre the desktop when you want to be modern on the tablets.
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  6. #16


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    But Patrick, it would have been so easy to provide both flavors. No need to massacre the desktop when you want to be modern on the tablets.
    I think all they had to do was include a start menu and ability to boot straight to the desktop. Once I did both of these things, Windows 8 was fine. I don't use charms, and I almost never see the start screen.
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  7. #17


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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    I listened to the Windows weekly podcast and they were discussing Windows 8. They made some good points

    1. Historically, MS has been behind the curve in lots of areas. This time they are really trying to get ahead of the curve and get people onboard in the infancy with touch and such
    2. Had Microsoft just released another Windows 7 and called it Windows 8, the people would complain that MS just doesn't get it and touch screens and such are the future and they are missing the curve and have screwed up and will be too late.


    So, more or less, they cannot win.

    The other thing they discussed was the "death of the PC". As Paul Thurrott said, iPad's sell 100 million and people rave about how unbelievably outstanding sales are, but yet the PC comes in around 78 million and they declare an apocalypse. It is what it is.
    How on earth can they say that touch is in its infancy? It's now been around for almost a decade and certainly mainstream in mobile phone for at least half that time. It's where it works best. Touch is already being superseded by other technologies that will work with non-touch screens, so that you don't have to buy expensive touch screens for at least desktop systems.

    I think that's where Microsoft has completely screwed up, by insisting that the desktop will look and work the same as a mobile phone. It shouldn't and doesn't need to do so. There is so much development happening with interface controls from waving your hands about, to eye tracking and even brain interfaces. The former two are moving along at a rapid pace and are even available right now.

    Why this obsession with touch?
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  8. #18


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    Like I said, doesn't anyone across the pond believe in or like the "free" enterprise system?
    Yes, that is why we are pointing out what is going on here.
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  9. #19


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    Why this obsession with touch?
    Because its use has increased over the last couple of years. It will still increase for the next couple - until something better comes along. It is not exactly last years fad, but it is almost catching the market toward the end.

    There seems to be strange assumption it will continue to increase increase exponentially, and all else will fade into insignificance.
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  10. #20


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    I think all they had to do was include a start menu and ability to boot straight to the desktop. Once I did both of these things, Windows 8 was fine. I don't use charms, and I almost never see the start screen.
    The advantage MS was hoping to gain is clear.

    They want everyone in the mobile phone as much as possible. That is how they push their services and their bundled ( read deeply integrated ) flagging products, like Bing.

    Not sure why they haven't been challenged about that.

    Perhaps it is because they are not seen as a threat.
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