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Microsoft's Windows 8 approach: Bold, arrogant, or both?

  1. #131


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    I think a good point to remember, is that absolutely 100% all of this never ending debate could have been completely avoided simple by ms adding or including built in choice. Obviously, given the ever growing amount of start menu replacements, there is a ginormous amount of want for such a thing. And given the small size of the little addons, it should have been a no brainer for ms.

    Of course, then we would not have had all of the fascinating little threads...

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  2. #132


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    ...of course what really does annoy me is the ever increasing vitriol from the pro-metro crowd against those who do not share their opinion. Please note, pro metro folks, that EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, and yours is NOT more important that others.

    Also please note that your opinions are just that... OPINIONS.... nothing more.
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  3. #133


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    Then again, the average PC user isn't a desktop user much anymore...
    They are not pc users, then. They are tablet/phone users.

    There is a big difference.

    PC stands for personal computer. That is where the user is in control. They keep their own stuff, they manage their own files and folders. They choose pretty much everything and are not tied to a particular app. store, or (hopefully) spied on by the os supplier.
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  4. #134


    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Then again, the average PC user isn't a desktop user much anymore...
    They are not pc users, then. They are tablet/phone users.

    There is a big difference.

    PC stands for personal computer. That is where the user is in control. They keep their own stuff, they manage their own files and folders. They choose pretty much everything and are not tied to a particular app. store, or (hopefully) spied on by the os supplier.
    Semantics

    My Acer tower is a PC. It's a computer that I personally use.

    My Droid X2 smart phone is a PC. It's a computer that I personally use.

    When I get a hybrid it will be a PC. It will be a computer that I will personally use.

    They are all PCs. They all have computing electronic circuitry and software that qualifies them as such. I am/will be in control of them.

    The Acer has 8 on it. My planned Hybrid will have 8 on it. My next phone will be a Windows Phone 8.

    They will all sync automatically if I so choose. I get to use as much of MS cloud as I choose. When I no longer have a choice, then there's a problem.
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  5. #135


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    I think your point is mistaken. What you really want is no WinRT start menu. The apps are irrelevant.
    No, I want choice. I want the option to totally ignore the MPI right out of the box, not with third party programs.
    So you want Microsoft to provide you with an option that violates their business model? Odd.

    Metro (design language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Windows 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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  6. #136


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    No, I want choice. I want the option to totally ignore the MPI right out of the box, not with third party programs.
    A personal computer is everything from a 100 pound steel box to a 1 pound wafer or less.
    An option to bypass or disable WinRT is a redefinition of the Operating System.
    It would be illogical for Microsoft to provide 2 start menus. Toolbar start menus would make it 3.
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  7. #137


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    Why would the consumer care about their business model. That is perverse.

    It is for the seller to care about the what the consumers want.

    It would be illogical for Microsoft to provide 2 start menus
    No. It is entirely logical - if they are attempting to provide both a desktop and a tablet environment.

    They are providing 2 version of IE for example.
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  8. #138


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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Why would the consumer care about their business model. That is perverse.
    It is not the responsibility of a company to design their business model by suggestion box. Business is complex. You might not be fully versed in the process of round table marketing decisions made by experienced entrepreneurs.
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  9. #139


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickkins View Post
    ...of course what really does annoy me is the ever increasing vitriol from the pro-metro crowd against those who do not share their opinion. Please note, pro metro folks, that EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, and yours is NOT more important that others.

    Also please note that your opinions are just that... OPINIONS.... nothing more.
    Oh of course. It's all just the pro-Metro side. None of the anti-metro folks are having any attitude at all. Right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Why would the consumer care about their business model. That is perverse.
    It is not the responsibility of a company to design their business model by suggestion box.
    You are extremely confused.

    If a business wants the customers to buy their goods , they need to give the customers what they want.

    It is not for the customers to bend to what that business wants.

    ( Unless of course, the customers have no choice ).


    Business is complex. You might not be fully versed in the process of round table marketing decisions made by experienced entrepreneurs.
    LOL. I will give you a hint. I am not in IT.
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