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Microsoft's Windows 8 approach: Bold, arrogant, or both?

  1. #91


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    How would have Windows 8 been a roaring success if it was just Windows 7.1? What would be the point about upgrading to that if 7 works just fine?
    Your retention span is either less than that of a goldfish, or you simply can't comprehend what posters have been saying here for some time. Either way, I'll let you go through previous threads and see if you can connect the dots.

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  2. #92


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    How would have Windows 8 been a roaring success if it was just Windows 7.1? What would be the point about upgrading to that if 7 works just fine?
    Your retention span is either less than that of a goldfish, or you simply can't comprehend what posters have been saying here for some time. Either way, I'll let you go through previous threads and see if you can connect the dots.
    No, I want you to tell me.
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  3. #93


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    And therein lies the rub. It would appear, by far, that those who like what Microsoft is doing, are outnumbered significantly by those that don't. It's all subjective, but then that's what drives everything when it comes to what people like and don't like. Windows 8 is such a roaring success, or could have been, if only Microsoft had listened to the majority, rather than the minority.
    How would have Windows 8 been a roaring success if it was just Windows 7.1? What would be the point about upgrading to that if 7 works just fine?
    So if I understand that right, there is not much value to Windows 8 other than the rubbish Metro.
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  4. #94


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    So if I understand that right, there is not much value to Windows 8 other than the rubbish Metro.
    Apologize for interjecting but WinRT is not rubbish.
    What part of the Windows 8 desktop is bad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    So if I understand that right, there is not much value to Windows 8 other than the rubbish Metro.
    Apologize for interjecting but WinRT is not rubbish.
    What part of the Windows 8 desktop is bad?


    I think you did not get the point - at least your comment is out of context.
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  6. #96


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    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I think desktop themes created by using the likes of rainmeter look far more futuristic.
    I thought we were talking about functionality? If it's about looking "futuristic"/h4x0r friendly, then I'm sure there's probably some ridiculous hollywood-made film computer interface that fits the bill better than any of them.
    IMO, "theme" is the wrong word (although you can include wallpapers and graphics in "Rainmeter Themes").

    You can download or create your own Rainmeter monitors.

    This is a picture of my Rainmeter setup.
    It's based on the Krell monitors from "Forbidden Planet".
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  7. #97


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    How would have Windows 8 been a roaring success if it was just Windows 7.1? What would be the point about upgrading to that if 7 works just fine?
    Your retention span is either less than that of a goldfish, or you simply can't comprehend what posters have been saying here for some time. Either way, I'll let you go through previous threads and see if you can connect the dots.
    No, I want you to tell me.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for life. Learn to fish.
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  8. #98


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    I think you did not get the point - at least your comment is out of context.
    Perhaps. Maybe suggesting that an upgrade from 7 to 7.1 would make it a success?
    My point is probably out of context since the context is fairly broad.
    Windows 8 has a fine desktop. And it has improved desktop functions. Improved features.
    So are some suggesting that the Windows 7 desktop is better than the Windows 8 desktop?
    I give up.
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  9. #99


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    And therein lies the rub. It would appear, by far, that those who like what Microsoft is doing, are outnumbered significantly by those that don't. It's all subjective, but then that's what drives everything when it comes to what people like and don't like. Windows 8 is such a roaring success, or could have been, if only Microsoft had listened to the majority, rather than the minority.
    How would have Windows 8 been a roaring success if it was just Windows 7.1? What would be the point about upgrading to that if 7 works just fine?
    So if I understand that right, there is not much value to Windows 8 other than the rubbish Metro.
    There is value, only if you look for it. What I'm basically trying to get across is the fact that in the face of the common consumer, something that looks like the OS they're already using just faster, few UI adjustments, and a few new features baked in and such, it's just meh. It wouldn't be worth rushing to out to get a copy of it and installing it everywhere. With 7, certain things can be done with third party software to achieve what Windows 8 already has baked in. Certain people appreciate that, others could care less. I can tell you for a fact that if Windows 8 where in fact just Windows 7.1, I wouldn't have gone through all the Preview builds, I wouldn't had probably bought a copy of Windows until I upgrade to a SSD. I wouldn't really be doing installs of it on existing installs of 7 I have already done, only maybe to refresh a PC or on a new PC with 7.1 already installed. It wouldn't be like vista to 7, it would just be 7 to 7.1. Not totally worthwhile, to some at least.

    Now since Windows 8 isn't so much 7.1 but on a new path of development, I find it's more worthwhile than 7. There is a new interaction method on new PCs, touch and nontouch alike, that makes it more enjoyable to use over 7. A form factor I previously once though years ago was to be utterly useless has become a form factor I personally desire as a secondary PC, primarily due to the software features, functionality, and design. An input method that many here find useless on a desktop and even personally, I once thought touch on a desktop wasn't totally great, until Windows 8 came. That showed to me the potential of better interaction with Windows over a mouse; it showed me that using touch on a desktop (when done right) is just more proper. Top that along with a new interface design that is modern, clean, and fresh over the glassy, glowy, rounded cheesy looking UI design called Aero, it's a more worthwhile OS to me. That, along with the performance improvements, along with a faster update cycle makes Windows 8 more worthwhile. Windows 7 isn't ever going to get a Blue update, just a simple service pack possibly.

    If Windows 8 were just Windows 7.1 and it kept it Desktop only, that there would be the Start of irrelevance of the Microsoft operating system. How people use technology and PCs isn't how they used technology and PCs 10 years ago. The desktop form factor has been supplanted by the laptop (something I bet many tech heads 10 years ago said would never happen for a LONG time) and the laptop is going to be supplanted by the tablet in a few years. How people interact with PCs aren't the same as 10 years ago. On a laptop, you touch a touchpad to move a mouse, which is really a skim milk touchscreen. On a tablet, it's a simple tap on a piece of UI. There is no moving a physical device called a mouse to interact with information and content. How people use PCs isn't the same as 10 years ago, where people were developing local digital libraries, where at the time it was thought the PC was to be the center of a digital multimedia entertainment center. (It's not, the game console usually is or something else not a PC.) Nowadays, people guzzle internet data faster than they would had in a whole year a decade ago. An operating system designed at the age of when internet was wired and through a dial up modem isn't well designed/suited for an age where internet is in your hand wireless on a four inch screen, or on a tablet when you're taking a big poop in the bathroom. To simply say that Windows 8 would had been better suited being the same old expected thing for the next two, three years would be akin to a slow and suffocating death. Just look at the mac os's marketshare versus ios, if apple were to drop ios, they'd be bankrupt. The mac os isn't a large focus for apple anymore, it's the ipad, the ipad mini, and the iphone; or ios in general. Meanwhile everyone on the mac will eventually have to get an ios device in the later future, as the usage of it will be so low, apple will probably cut off development for it to cut costs and focus on ios. If Windows went the path of Desktop only OS and metro styled OS for touch/tablet devices, that EXACT situation will happen for sure.
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  10. #100


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post

    Your retention span is either less than that of a goldfish, or you simply can't comprehend what posters have been saying here for some time. Either way, I'll let you go through previous threads and see if you can connect the dots.
    No, I want you to tell me.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach him to fish and he eats for life. Learn to fish.
    I already know how to fish, I'm just wanting you to tell me what posters have been saying here for some time about how Windows 8 would sell in an uproar like 7 did if Windows 8 was just Windows 7.1. That is all.
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