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  1. #21


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    1) I don't agree with driving everything from the desktop.
    You lost me there. Driving everything from the desktop is IMO, old fashioned.
    What is old fashioned about that. I have a normal desktop with a keyboard, mouse and no touchscreen like another Billion Windows users. Why would I want to have a tablet UI on my system.

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  2. #22


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Why would I want to have a tablet UI on my system.
    Well, IMO, for me it's a preference.
    I like to have all my links and shortcuts on a separate page (so to speak).
    It's seems more efficient to me to keep the desktop clear of icons, launching tools and taskbar clutter.
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  3. #23


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    This isn't the 90's, man. The "public" has plenty of options beyond Windows 8, including Windows 7 :P. So don't think you can shove something down the public's throat and say 'swallow'.
    You are correct on that one and all because of a stupid start screen with no other choice except third party stuff.

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  4. #24


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Why would I want to have a tablet UI on my system.
    Well, IMO, for me it's a preference.
    I like to have all my links and shortcuts on a separate page (so to speak).
    It's seems more efficient to me to keep the desktop clear of icons, launching tools and taskbar clutter.
    I am with you on a clean desktop. That's why I use a toolbar. Toolbars - How to Use in Windows 7 and Vista - Windows 7 Help Forums

    Works also in Windows 8. No need for that tablet start screen.
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  5. #25


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    What is old fashioned about that.
    It is, again, IMO, due to the history of Windows,
    which has had about the same basic UI for the past 17 years since the release of Windows 95.
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  6. #26


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    What is old fashioned about that.
    It is, again, IMO, due to the history of Windows,
    which has had about the same basic UI for the past 17 years since the release of Windows 95.
    If it ain't broke don't fix it and M$ went and tried to fix it. How many years has a car had a steering wheel.
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  7. #27


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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    How many years has a car had a steering wheel.
    Even steering wheels have evolved from wood to metal to fiberglass/plastic to rubber covered, padded wheels etc...

    Five operating system alternatives to Windows 8 and XP.

    1) Ipads don't have any cutting edge processing power.
    2) Apple Macs are too proprietary.
    3) Linux uses a different file system and is not user friendly. Too geeky.
    4) Chrome is Linux.
    5) Windows 7 is aging rapidly.
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  8. #28


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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Well thought out. I still disagree on several points.

    ...you should have the Option of driving everything from the desktop interface, and not leaving it.
    ...it is not the preferred way of driving a workstation.
    1) I don't agree with driving everything from the desktop.
    You lost me there. Driving everything from the desktop is IMO, old fashioned.
    Then simply click on TileWorld from Start on the charms bar. Nothing i'm suggesting is going to make it go away. What i'm saying is if you have a small mobile device(Windows Phone, Surface Mini), you should be using TileWorld. If you have a larger device like a SP, desktop/workstation, you should have the ability to either drive everything from the Desktop or drive it from TileWorld, that choice is completely up to you. Your stance seems to be that everybody should be running from TileWorld. The two interfaces should be independent of the other and not crossover from one to the other and back again. Its the crossover that drives people nuts.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    2) I don't agree with windowing immersive applications or running them on the desktop.
    Multi tasking can be achieved without concurrent windows.
    But why would you want to reinvent the wheel? And if immersiveness is your thing, all that functionality would still there. Charms -> Start -> Have A Party. Now you can use your desktop computer like a mobile device. Good for you. Stop trying to force other people into that same experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    3) Don't agree that WinRT and Win32 will retain equal status as code evolves.
    The only way they wouldn't is if Microsoft removed Win32 entirely, which isn't going to happen. You have a misconception of how code works. They're all just API's.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    ...If I doubleclick Angry Birds...
    There's no reason to have or allow seemingly frivolous games on a commercial workstation.
    So now you're going to ban entire games from running on computers? What after that, burning E-books? What further laundry list of stuff are you going to say can't run on systems. We're already at the Desktop, Games you consider frivolous, what else? And for the record I used Angry Birds as an example because it is one of the most well known Apps out there, not because I've ever run it, which I haven't.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    This isn't the 90's, man. The "public" has plenty of options beyond Windows 8, including Windows 7. So don't think you can shove something down the public's throat and say 'swallow'.
    So you're saying the "public" will go with Apple, Linux or Windows 7 because of a start screen.
    Once again, not saying the start screen goes away. Think of them as the Mobile Interface and the Desktop Interface. Both should be accessible, and both should be able to drive both Apps and Applications in their respective ways without dealing with the other. Its awful to the point of ludicrous to have cross-interfacing.

    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    I never run my main applications full screen, why do I want my Apps each taking up the whole screen and hiding everything on a large monitor?
    We'll have to agree to disagree with personal preferences.
    I prefer immersion.
    And my method would give you everything you want. But it would also give those people who don't prefer immersion what they want, something you can't seem to be able to tolerate. You, like Microsoft, want everything done Your Way.
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  9. #29


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    How many years has a car had a steering wheel.
    Even steering wheels have evolved from wood to metal to fiberglass/plastic to rubber covered, padded wheels etc...

    Five operating system alternatives to Windows 8 and XP.

    1) Ipads don't have any cutting edge processing power.
    2) Apple Macs are too proprietary.
    3) Linux uses a different file system and is not user friendly. Too geeky.
    4) Chrome is Linux.
    5) Windows 7 is aging rapidly.
    At the rate Windows 8 is going Windows 7 will out last Windows 8. Heck even XP may out last Windows 8. As far as Linux file system they are far more efficient than NTFS and faster. As #1 and #2 I agree with you but it is still a choice for the average consumer.
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  10. #30


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    Your stance seems to be that everybody should be running from TileWorld.
    Yes.

    Its the crossover that drives people nuts.
    Odd behavior to get affected that way.

    Charms -> Start -> Have A Party. Now you can use your desktop computer like a mobile device. Good for you. Stop trying to force other people into that same experience.
    I think I can safely say that having used 8 since pre release, I have never used Charms -> Start.

    You have a misconception of how code works.
    No misconception. I was a programmer in assembly, pascal, C, COBOL, RPG, BASIC etc...
    Code technologies have changed and will continue to change.

    Its awful to the point of ludicrous to have cross-interfacing.
    Disagree.

    And my method would give you everything you want. But it would also give those people who don't prefer immersion what they want, something you can't seem to be able to tolerate. You, like Microsoft, want everything done Your Way.
    Not really. People are never completely satisfied.
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