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  1. #31


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    Oh, I guess I should had been more exact since you responded to that in a totally different fashion.

    "Win 8 would only be for home use with all it's fun and not so fun factors. Big corporations will not adapt win 8 to run their businesses just like what happened to Vista. It is not a very good tool for productivity."

    False.
    The assumption that you made was that the original author meant 'Windows 7 will be officially supported for another 10 years'. That may not have been the intent, or it may have been the intent. Hence you need to be careful with your wording when replying, especially when trying to be smart.

    If the poster meant the former, then you were completely wrong. But if the poster meant the latter, then a reasonable response would have clarified the proposition and educated the individual (and others). As for the final comment made by the poster, you in no way argued against what he stated, but merely made a flippant comment that encapsulated his post. In all cases you failed to give any reasonable or logical response.

    I sometimes wonder what is a robot on coke?
    Why would I dispute a fact that I already know?

    And also at this point, I fail to have to give a "logical" response as of course, you're the first to dispute and argue against it tooth and nail for whatever reason.
    Hi there
    sometimes your answers (@Coke Robot) are a bit like what one would expect from the old Oracle in ancient Greek Mythology --the answers were so contrived that they could be interpreted in so many ways that the users always perceived they got the correct answers.

    A bit of "Please engage Brain before opening Mouth" might be in order at times before immediately replying to almost every post within seconds.

    Anyway for your info here's a little reference about "The great Oracle at Delphi".

    The Greeks - <b>The Oracle at Delphi

    DELPHI: The Oracle at Delphi

    enjoy.

    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #32


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post

    The assumption that you made was that the original author meant 'Windows 7 will be officially supported for another 10 years'. That may not have been the intent, or it may have been the intent. Hence you need to be careful with your wording when replying, especially when trying to be smart.

    If the poster meant the former, then you were completely wrong. But if the poster meant the latter, then a reasonable response would have clarified the proposition and educated the individual (and others). As for the final comment made by the poster, you in no way argued against what he stated, but merely made a flippant comment that encapsulated his post. In all cases you failed to give any reasonable or logical response.

    I sometimes wonder what is a robot on coke?
    Why would I dispute a fact that I already know?

    And also at this point, I fail to have to give a "logical" response as of course, you're the first to dispute and argue against it tooth and nail for whatever reason.
    Hi there
    sometimes your answers (@Coke Robot) are a bit like what one would expect from the old Oracle in ancient Greek Mythology --the answers were so contrived that they could be interpreted in so many ways that the users always perceived they got the correct answers.

    A bit of "Please engage Brain before opening Mouth" might be in order at times before immediately replying to almost every post within seconds.

    Anyway for your info here's a little reference about "The great Oracle at Delphi".

    The Greeks - <b>The Oracle at Delphi

    DELPHI: The Oracle at Delphi

    enjoy.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Again I still have little clue what you're talking about that I'm not usually clear on what I'm saying. Lately, maybe, but that's because having to debate something for the 1,500th time is getting exhausting and really if someone isn't getting it at this point my argument or anyone else's, they never will. Also, I can care less about someone heavily misinterpreting something I said when there was little to misinterpret, if you do that, you must work for the mainstream media....
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  3. #33


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    That explains everything


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    ...having to debate something for the 1,500th time is getting exhausting...
    So you finally got tired of all those debates...
    I give you credit for the longevity though.
    I would have cracked way sooner.

    But convincing others is not mandatory but it's just the path you've chosen. Pure Win8 devotion.

    Good luck further with any other debates, Oracle.
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  4. #34


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    ...having to debate something for the 1,500th time is getting exhausting...
    So you finally got tired of all those debates...
    I give you credit for the longevity though.
    I would have cracked way sooner.

    But convincing others is not mandatory but it's just the path you've chosen. Pure Win8 devotion.

    Good luck further with any other debates, Oracle.
    I'll probably keep debating this, but with OTHERS. I've gotten to the point where beating my head with a Surface is more enjoyable than discussing Windows 8 things with certain people.

    I'm not really trying to convince, I'm trying to learn people the ways of the Windows 8, for it is not Windows 7, vista, xp, 2000, 98, 95, 3.11, 3, 2, or 1. THAT'S the main issue here is getting that point across, once that happens, more can follow.

    And thanks.
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  5. #35


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Actually, Windows 8 in itself does nothing, it is purely a platform that allows other programs to carry out their functions. Enabling better security features, having improved code to speed processes, providing features that allow other programs to work better are all things that make for a good operating system.

    It is not for the operating system to dictate the way in which users like to work, arrange programs, interact with programs etc. That's where Microsoft has failed. It has taken a well known, well liked and respected operating system and turned it on its head without any option to retain that which people know, like and respect.
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  6. #36


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Actually, Windows 8 in itself does nothing, it is purely a platform that allows other programs to carry out their functions. Enabling better security features, having improved code to speed processes, providing features that allow other programs to work better are all things that make for a good operating system.

    It is not for the operating system to dictate the way in which users like to work, arrange programs, interact with programs etc. That's where Microsoft has failed. It has taken a well known, well liked and respected operating system and turned it on its head without any option to retain that which people know, like and respect.
    So, moving from DOS and keyboards to GUI and the mouse WASN'T forcing users to work in different ways?
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  7. #37


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    So, moving from DOS and keyboards to GUI and the mouse WASN'T forcing users to work in different ways?
    There are clearly certain evolutionary changes that are important and improvements come as technology develops. Like with cars, much of what we accept today is a result of technology improvements, including engineering, manufacturing processes and material development. But because we now have fuel injected engines, airbags, ABS etc that improve safety, handling and the like, the basic interface of a car is still very familiar.

    BMW introduced an MPI equivalent in one of their models, which was lambasted extensively by just about everyone. BMW had to run courses for new owners as they were completely baffled by the new control system. I believe that BMW took some notice of the criticisms and made appropriate changes.

    That said, the GUI and mouse did not force people to change from what they were used to, as the earlier methods still worked quite well and continued to do so well into the future. What is also important to note is that this was around the time that computers started to become affordable to people and the GUI and mouse made the adoption process easier.

    Microsoft has done the opposite.
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  8. #38


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    Windows 8.1 'Ultimate' RTM 64 bit (Pro/WMC).


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Actually, Windows 8 in itself does nothing, it is purely a platform that allows other programs to carry out their functions. Enabling better security features, having improved code to speed processes, providing features that allow other programs to work better are all things that make for a good operating system.

    It is not for the operating system to dictate the way in which users like to work, arrange programs, interact with programs etc. That's where Microsoft has failed. It has taken a well known, well liked and respected operating system and turned it on its head without any option to retain that which people know, like and respect.
    So, moving from DOS and keyboards to GUI and the mouse WASN'T forcing users to work in different ways?
    Well, you can use a mouse in DOS, and it does (in later versions) have a primitive 'GUI'.

    And you can always access DOS either alongside or from within Windows.

    Oops, there's that darned 'choice' concept again. Drat!

    Wenda.
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  9. #39


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    So, moving from DOS and keyboards to GUI and the mouse WASN'T forcing users to work in different ways?
    There are clearly certain evolutionary changes that are important and improvements come as technology develops. Like with cars, much of what we accept today is a result of technology improvements, including engineering, manufacturing processes and material development. But because we now have fuel injected engines, airbags, ABS etc that improve safety, handling and the like, the basic interface of a car is still very familiar.

    BMW introduced an MPI equivalent in one of their models, which was lambasted extensively by just about everyone. BMW had to run courses for new owners as they were completely baffled by the new control system. I believe that BMW took some notice of the criticisms and made appropriate changes.

    That said, the GUI and mouse did not force people to change from what they were used to, as the earlier methods still worked quite well and continued to do so well into the future. What is also important to note is that this was around the time that computers started to become affordable to people and the GUI and mouse made the adoption process easier.

    Microsoft has done the opposite.
    Really right now? The fact you can't today use DOS/text commands as a main input anymore basically means the GUI forced everyone to use the mouse. You can use command prompt, but that is utterly pointless. No, the GUI forced people from DOS, to use the mouse whether they liked it or not. If that weren't the case, a larger group of people I'd bet still to this day would be using DOS. But hey, choice is choice I guess, and people choose the GUI over DOS.
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  10. #40


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
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    Really right now? The fact you can't today use DOS/text commands as a main input anymore basically means the GUI forced everyone to use the mouse. You can use command prompt, but that is utterly pointless. No, the GUI forced people from DOS, to use the mouse whether they liked it or not. If that weren't the case, a larger group of people I'd bet still to this day would be using DOS. But hey, choice is choice I guess, and people choose the GUI over DOS.
    Yes, you can use the Command Prompt any time that you wish with any version of Windows and it's often quite a functional tool. Also, the GUI didn't force everyone to use a mouse, keyboard controls still function quite well. The mouse was gladly adopted by the newcomers, as it provided a very functional way to navigate the new found pleasures of computers.
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