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The PC industry just doesn't get it

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    The PC industry just doesn't get it


    The PC industry still doesn't get it - Neowin

    "The OEMs need to learn that whether it’s with Windows, Android, Linux, or some other future platform, the only way to win people’s hearts and minds is through good design and execution of products and marketing. Simply packing the most numbers possible into a generic plastic case, and pricing it as low as you can is not a solid marketing strategy. Apple changed the game, and average consumers no longer care, and don’t want to learn what terms like quad-core, GPU, multi-touch, IPS, OLED, etc. mean."

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    :thumbup: Agree. One thing true about Apple products is that they are quality built. Useless OSs, though IMO. That's why MS got into the Surface business. Quality sells. OEMs better think twice for sure.
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    I don't mind if they make a Microtosh for the average user. When it comes to a Real PC, the only proper way to do it is to build your own. Most OEM machines are no better than the mobile devices. A Real PC will run rings around mobile devices, primarily due to the video card(which in turn tends to dictate the form factor of the case and power supply).

    And it makes no sense to put out an AIO, they would be far better served in putting out a high-quality high-resolution touchscreen monitor with good angles which a Microtosh(or any other computer) can attach to. There is far more need for that.
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    An article extolling pushing up the prices to suit 8.

    There is more to it than that.

    Apple can charge premium for very good reasons.


    it may be the right moment for Microsoft to give up on its OEM-centric mindset and make that move.
    Go for it Stevie B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    I don't mind if they make a Microtosh for the average user. When it comes to a Real PC, the only proper way to do it is to build your own. Most OEM machines are no better than the mobile devices. A Real PC will run rings around mobile devices, primarily due to the video card(which in turn tends to dictate the form factor of the case and power supply).

    And it makes no sense to put out an AIO, they would be far better served in putting out a high-quality high-resolution touchscreen monitor with good angles which a Microtosh(or any other computer) can attach to. There is far more need for that.
    You can get a good prebuilt pc, however most people are looking for the lowest price possible and thus exclude these better built options. I've owned Dell's in the past with good video cards, but I paid extra for them. I usually do build my own, so I can get EXACTLY what I want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    :thumbup: Agree. One thing true about Apple products is that they are quality built. Useless OSs, though IMO. That's why MS got into the Surface business. Quality sells. OEMs better think twice for sure.

    Useless, really? I have 3 PC Desktops, a G4 tower, a G3 and a couple of G5's. As old as they are, I have plenty of uses for em. And you are wrong, Apple's OS design did not make Apple or even PC users not care about what's under the hood, on the contrary. And the difference between my iPhone and my Windows 8 is that I have 150 apps on my iPhone, and I have daily uses for all of them, balancing my checkbook, even Photoshop apps with the same features as regular photoshop. Do I not care that my iPhone 4S is a Dual A5? Nope, not at all, it's fast.

    The really big difference between Apple iOS and Metro is that I have yet to find one Metro app that affords me the same usefulness as either a Desktop app or any of my iPhone apps - And I have about 75 little useless tiles now. I tyhought I was buying productivity, but got worthlessness instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    I don't mind if they make a Microtosh for the average user. When it comes to a Real PC, the only proper way to do it is to build your own. Most OEM machines are no better than the mobile devices. A Real PC will run rings around mobile devices, primarily due to the video card(which in turn tends to dictate the form factor of the case and power supply).

    And it makes no sense to put out an AIO, they would be far better served in putting out a high-quality high-resolution touchscreen monitor with good angles which a Microtosh(or any other computer) can attach to. There is far more need for that.
    I agree that I should be able to take any MACOS for Intel Install Disk and install it into any PC I have that has a core duo or better. I have gotten old copies of OSx86 installed on old Dells, which seem to have similar chipsets to Apple. Applke's big mistake, actually Steve Job's big mistake is taking down the Darwin Project.

    The reasoning Apple uses is that when you buy an Apple PC or Device, the OS is part of it, this is a foreign concept to us, who use PC's and install all kinds of OS's from Linux to Hackintosh.

    I've always built my own PC's and even when I had to buy a new one, I've wiped the drive and installed my own OS, always. The Big Desktop Makers, they will sell you a PC, and you have this little "Press F11" button to reinstall the OS, what they never tell you is that you really need a Windows 7 or 8 Disk to do that, and they never provide one for you. Or, they hide it, mislabel it as a "reinstall features" disk.

    But I don't get what you mean by AIO's are not a good idea, one thing I thought that was great with Windows 7 was that the install disk I bought had all versions of Windows 7 on it, and I've used them all finally settling for Ultimate. Do you mean OS's that are all in one? I think this is what Microsoft tried to do with Windows 8, but it is too much "all in one" - It needs to be differentiated, there shoudl be RT only OS's and Desktop-Only OS's.

    When people are backed up against a wall with a "no choice" scenario - That's when they MAKE their own choices. The desktop is the core of any Windows OS, taking it out will make people run for Apple, Linux and Windows 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XweAponX View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    :thumbup: Agree. One thing true about Apple products is that they are quality built. Useless OSs, though IMO. That's why MS got into the Surface business. Quality sells. OEMs better think twice for sure.

    Useless, really? I have 3 PC Desktops, a G4 tower, a G3 and a couple of G5's. As old as they are, I have plenty of uses for em. And you are wrong, Apple's OS design did not make Apple or even PC users not care about what's under the hood, on the contrary. And the difference between my iPhone and my Windows 8 is that I have 150 apps on my iPhone, and I have daily uses for all of them, balancing my checkbook, even Photoshop apps with the same features as regular photoshop. Do I not care that my iPhone 4S is a Dual A5? Nope, not at all, it's fast.

    The really big difference between Apple iOS and Metro is that I have yet to find one Metro app that affords me the same usefulness as either a Desktop app or any of my iPhone apps - And I have about 75 little useless tiles now. I tyhought I was buying productivity, but got worthlessness instead.
    Why would you have 150 apps on an iphone?
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    Well, you spend 3 minutes in every app = 450 minutes ÷ 60 = 7.5 hours. That's a good days work.
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    See, the irony right now for me is that I read this today and yesterday, a friend passed off their newish "Windows 8 Certified PC" to me, the quotes I'll rant about later. Wow, basically, this laptop is the Kia of laptop PCs. It's basically the reason why the author wrote this article: it's a half assed effort to say the least.

    To start off with, there are LITERALLY four key differences between that laptop model with Windows 7 and 8: UEFI BIOS, a Windows 8 sticker on the bottom, the new Start key, and an updated driver with the touchpad to support the edge gestures and such. The touchpad....ugh. By FAR too small, I kind of understand why some here on the forums have complained about a new laptop switching apps or opening the Charms when moving the mouse. I'm guessing their touchpad is too small too. Basically, the size of the touchpad plus the mouse buttons is actually smaller than the size than most proper nontouch Windows 8 laptops. It's just WAY TOO small, it even annoys me. It's difficult to get a pinch to zoom gesture, awkward to do edge gestures.

    Next, there is the build quality of it: again, cheap half assed effort. The battery cover material isn't the same as the rest of the laptop, you can tell. It's just another cheap black plastic laptop. It has this awful tiled, raised texturing on it as well as on the touchpad. Ick. When I got it, the access panel on the bottom was almost about to pop off, as there was LITERALLY one screw holding the whole panel in place, as well as ONE screw holding the hard drive caddy in place. Speaking of that, this laptop uses a Seagate drive, a very slim ultrabook geared hard drive as it's a good several millimeters thinner than a 250 gig hard drive from a few years ago. That one is a 320 gig one, I had to take a second look at it as it was thinner than usual. But anyways, the hard drive caddy is a reused on for a drive that is thicker one, from about a couple years ago, so you can see some flexing on the caddy on the bottom.

    Then there is the lid, this one is a nit pick as well but noticeable. There is a small tab/lip on the lid of the laptop center front as normal to open the thing up. Well, generally, you should see and feel a smooth indent on the bottom half under that lip so you can easily open the lid up without prying it open. That indent is usually on the touchpad, just past the mouse buttons or on the palm rest bezel, but centered with the lid tab. On this laptop, nope. That concave indent is off centered by a long shot. It's just weird. Overall, the whole thing feels like it's just spare parts lying around slapped together. Even with the bottom access panel off, you can tell that chassis can hold a few different motherboards as the CMOS battery seems like it can be in two different places. Actually yeah, there is an HDMI port that isn't there, it's covered as there isn't one in this particular model.

    There is a certain threshold of cheap and cost effective. It seems OEMs are crossing over to cheap as honestly, I've seen cheap laptops before better built than this. I've seen netbooks built with more balls than this Toshiba. I've seen Acer laptops in recent years built better than this. Terrible.

    You can really tell why Microsoft is building their own tablet PCs, and maybe in the future an ultrabook PC. OEMs still haven't gotten their poop in a group yet and probably won't ever. This happened with vista, and is happening now. And speaking of such, vista. The quotes I used around "Windows 8 Certified PC" also goes back to vista where OEMs built PCs that were "vista capable" but meant, "This here is designed to run Windows xp, but we added like a gig or so of RAM, so it should run vista just fine." NOT!
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