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The PC industry just doesn't get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    :thumbup: Agree. One thing true about Apple products is that they are quality built. Useless OSs, though IMO. That's why MS got into the Surface business. Quality sells. OEMs better think twice for sure.
    The thing about apple is that they do build really top notch quality hardware, that's pretty hard to argue if you compare the class level of the macs they build versus the PC. A macbook air is built usually rather well than a netbook, but arguably the netbook is a better buy over the mac obviously. Their hardware is always built minimally, no over the top lighting or textures or something weird, just clean and modern. Honestly, Windows 8 looks better on a mac than mac os. apple's software is what is sucky for sure. They're even getting behind with ios 7, and it's reported that it will have a UI overhaul, and I bet you anything it will be a Windows Phone/metro design knockoff as we've seen already with itunes 11.... I will be the VERY first to slander them for doing such.

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  2. #12


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You can really tell why Microsoft is building their own tablet PCs, and maybe in the future an ultrabook PC. OEMs still haven't gotten their poop in a group yet and probably won't ever.
    Well, Microsoft built hardware is far from perfect. Take for instance the Surface Pro. Comes with a great stylus. Problem is, there is no place to firmly attach that stylus. It clips via the magnetic charge port and can very easily be knocked off and lost. Not to mention, every time you have to charge the device, you have to remove the stylus and put it elsewhere. It's the first thing people lose on their surface pro.. And it's $30 to replace. I cannot believe MS didn't come up with something a whole hell of a lot better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You can really tell why Microsoft is building their own tablet PCs, and maybe in the future an ultrabook PC. OEMs still haven't gotten their poop in a group yet and probably won't ever.
    Well, Microsoft built hardware is far from perfect. Take for instance the Surface Pro. Comes with a great stylus. Problem is, there is no place to firmly attach that stylus. It clips via the magnetic charge port and can very easily be knocked off and lost. Not to mention, every time you have to charge the device, you have to remove the stylus and put it elsewhere. It's the first thing people lose on their surface pro.. And it's $30 to replace. I cannot believe MS didn't come up with something a whole hell of a lot better.
    I say it's a lot more perfect than most OEM PCs for sure.

    The ipad isn't perfect and far from it as well.

    Everything is far from perfect, even Windows 8.
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    And also far more expensive too.
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    There are plenty of notebooks etc that are well designed and built, but you pay for them. I have a couple of old Fujitsu notebooks and they are very good, a bit old in the design stakes nowadays, but still working and holding together very well.

    That said, there is nothing wrong with what some call 'cheap and nasty', they serve a valid need where many people can't afford higher quality devices. It's also less of a loss if the cheaper devices get damaged or lost.

    I have a what would be called a 'cheap and nasty' mobile phone, one of these in fact: http://zte.com.au/telstra/T95.htm. At $49 it bests my $500 HTC Touch Diamond II in many respects, the most important being able to make phone calls. It's actually a smart phone, which you wouldn't know by looking at the specs.

    So many current smart phone reviews 'ooh and aah' about the camera, speaker/s, speed, look and feel etc and hardly ever talk about reception quality, the very reason for a mobile phone. I don't need a Windows 'anything' phone anymore, I need one that works first and foremost as an exceptional phone, all the other things I can do by tethering to my tablet, which this phone also does exceptionally well.

    That's why that article doesn't hit the mark. There is, and needs to be, room for devices at all price ranges, which is why the likes of the Kia etc are so popular.
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    Yep, my wife has a 500 laptop simply because we have kids and we accepted that if it gets damaged we will just replace it. And it's still going strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    There are plenty of notebooks etc that are well designed and built, but you pay for them. I have a couple of old Fujitsu notebooks and they are very good, a bit old in the design stakes nowadays, but still working and holding together very well.

    That said, there is nothing wrong with what some call 'cheap and nasty', they serve a valid need where many people can't afford higher quality devices. It's also less of a loss if the cheaper devices get damaged or lost.

    I have a what would be called a 'cheap and nasty' mobile phone, one of these in fact: http://zte.com.au/telstra/T95.htm. At $49 it bests my $500 HTC Touch Diamond II in many respects, the most important being able to make phone calls. It's actually a smart phone, which you wouldn't know by looking at the specs.

    So many current smart phone reviews 'ooh and aah' about the camera, speaker/s, speed, look and feel etc and hardly ever talk about reception quality, the very reason for a mobile phone. I don't need a Windows 'anything' phone anymore, I need one that works first and foremost as an exceptional phone, all the other things I can do by tethering to my tablet, which this phone also does exceptionally well.

    That's why that article doesn't hit the mark. There is, and needs to be, room for devices at all price ranges, which is why the likes of the Kia etc are so popular.
    Nokia Lumia 520 - Affordable Windows Phone with Dual Core Processor - Nokia

    Nokia Lumia 520 Smartphone 4,0 Zoll schwarz: Amazon.de: Elektronik

    Like I said before, there is a line between cheap and cost effective. Take a look at the Nokia Lumia 520, it is BY FAR the least expensive Windows Phone 8 handset, BY FAR well built than other handsets in that price range, and doesn't compromise user experience. You have features you would want for a low end smartphone, at a real good price, but not shoddy quality at all. That's what isn't seen much in the PC industry. Most what you see on the low end is just that, low end, cheap, and doesn't provide a stellar experience.

    Oh, and speaking of hyndais and kias...

    Hyundai, Kia Recall 1.7 Million Vehicles on Electronics - Businessweek

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    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Yep, my wife has a 500 laptop simply because we have kids and we accepted that if it gets damaged we will just replace it. And it's still going strong.
    The average price of a decent laptop is 500 dollars. Under that is just usually corner cutting. I worked on this ASUS laptop recently that was about that price range and was VERY nice to use for Windows 8. If it were red....

    It wasn't a cruddy system either, take off a dozen screws, pop the assembly open, and everything you'd need to access is there. Put it back to together and you don't know that it's a cost effective PC. ASUS makes an ultrabook version of that made out of metal I think.... That's a good example of cost effective over cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    [Nokia Lumia 520 - Affordable Windows Phone with Dual Core Processor - Nokia

    Nokia Lumia 520 Smartphone 4,0 Zoll schwarz: Amazon.de: Elektronik

    Like I said before, there is a line between cheap and cost effective. Take a look at the Nokia Lumia 520, it is BY FAR the least expensive Windows Phone 8 handset, BY FAR well built than other handsets in that price range, and doesn't compromise user experience. You have features you would want for a low end smartphone, at a real good price, but not shoddy quality at all. That's what isn't seen much in the PC industry. Most what you see on the low end is just that, low end, cheap, and doesn't provide a stellar experience.

    Oh, and speaking of hyndais and kias...

    Hyundai, Kia Recall 1.7 Million Vehicles on Electronics - Businessweek

    Look here: Telstra - Nokia Mobile Phones & Plans. If it doesn't have the Blue Tick, it's useless in country/rural areas. I don't see the 520 listed.

    And speaking of recalls:

    Cars

    Toyota recalls 2.8m cars over steering and water pump faults | Business | guardian.co.uk

    Toyota Lead Number of Recalled Vehicles in 2012 | AutoGuide.com News

    knife/gun fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    [Nokia Lumia 520 - Affordable Windows Phone with Dual Core Processor - Nokia

    Nokia Lumia 520 Smartphone 4,0 Zoll schwarz: Amazon.de: Elektronik

    Like I said before, there is a line between cheap and cost effective. Take a look at the Nokia Lumia 520, it is BY FAR the least expensive Windows Phone 8 handset, BY FAR well built than other handsets in that price range, and doesn't compromise user experience. You have features you would want for a low end smartphone, at a real good price, but not shoddy quality at all. That's what isn't seen much in the PC industry. Most what you see on the low end is just that, low end, cheap, and doesn't provide a stellar experience.

    Oh, and speaking of hyndais and kias...

    Hyundai, Kia Recall 1.7 Million Vehicles on Electronics - Businessweek

    Look here: Telstra - Nokia Mobile Phones & Plans. If it doesn't have the Blue Tick, it's useless in country/rural areas. I don't see the 520 listed.

    And speaking of recalls:

    Cars

    Toyota recalls 2.8m cars over steering and water pump faults | Business | guardian.co.uk

    Toyota Lead Number of Recalled Vehicles in 2012 | AutoGuide.com News

    knife/gun fight.
    I bloody don't care if you can't use the 520, I'm using that to make a point which you obviously dodged.
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