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Five reasons why the Windows desktop isn't going away

  1. #11


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    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    This is MS's dilemma -> Growth into the modern changing markets. Where one's target market (in MS's case the desktop PC) has flat lined, one must look for other markets to grow. It seems to me that touch-centric mobile devices are where it's at. It's all too bloody obvious.
    This is understood. But this was no reason to kill the desktop. The installer could very well generate a modern UI when it senses a touchscreen and a traditional UI when there is no touchscreen. That would have been a piece of cake to implement and over a billion PC users would have been happy.
    Things don't magically create themselves. To have a UI switcher like you say, it would take building and maintaining two distinctly different User Interfaces, which is a pita development-wise, especially as you add more stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    They are able to make a differentiation when they sense a disk with zero rotation (SSD), so why not for screens with or without touch.
    What makes you think that? SSD should work no differently than an old-school IDE drive or a USB stick, just a lot faster due to not having a physical disk or not having to run through USB.

    The entire point of a driver is to provide a common API on the front-end(i.e. file system access), while accessing wildly differing hardware on the backend, such that the software(Windows) cannot tell the difference. When Windows requests the device information from the driver, that information is where Windows gets told the specifics which get mirrored to the user if its requested.

    Any 'differentiation' would simply be a request of a boolean variable in the driver.

    Either way, this has nothing to do with UI.

    Could what you suggest be done with split UI? Absolutely.

    Will it. No. Maintaining two distinctly different interfaces is pointless, prone to bugs from split development, makes it harder to teach people the interface(depending on which), and in the end doesn't really provide a lot of value over just having one. You really do need to pick your poison and stick to it. Tech evolves. It happens.

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  2. #12


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    You have apparently never worked in an operating system development shop nor used an SSD. No use to discuss this any further.
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  3. #13


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    Reading the authors 'five reasons' doesn't really inspire confidence in his reasoning and in some ways he sounds a little unsure himself.

    1. Why should Microsoft keep maintaining backwards compatibility? As great as that is, it's been one of the reasons why Windows has always been prone to malware, because it has required the retention of legacy code etc. Apple happily avoids backwards compatibility and doesn't suffer as a consequence.

    2. Microsoft could easily continue support for corporate customers, as it has always done when Windows has been updated. From a consumer point of view, Microsoft wants them to buy new devices and, in turn, take on the new Windows etc. Realistically, the vast majority of consumers will accept what they get. Nothing lost, much to gain by Microsoft.

    3. The author admits that existing functions are being ported to the MPI, with a commensurate lesser need top go to the desktop. He provides no evidence why the desktop won't go there as well (in this particular point).

    4. The author gives no proof that it would be difficult to remove the desktop and gives spurious reasons why it can't be done. From what we have read, Microsoft appears well on the way to removing the desktop, as we know it. Why would Microsoft have spent so much effort developing a unified MPI, just to retain the legacy desktop environment?

    5. The author admits that there is already a 'no desktop' option, but then uses nothing more than a sales comparison to prove that the desktop is here to stay. Clearly Windows 8 would have outsold RT, but that's because currently they are two separate platforms and one quite restricted in ability. But again, Microsoft is improving on that all the time and clearly moving everything to one platform, the MPI. It's just a matter of time.
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  4. #14


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    desktop will never be removed imo , it will be improved as always but never removed.

    at least as long as people will use keyboard and mouse as interface, the desktop as to be there.
    i agree with the metro direction windows is going for touch screen and even for kids or people that never used a computer it seams intuitive after you have learned the "corners"
    now for old school people that manage the mouse and keyboard better then they walk .. desktop as to be there.
    and why remove it if you can have both ? better to have the greeks and the trojans happy.
    it was a bit hard to dive into windows 8 .. but not as hard as any mmorpg game out there ...
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  5. #15


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Nor would I. Port the W7 desktop and all the softwares I currently use into Metro and I'll be happy.

    Port the desktop and kernal improvements from Win 8 into Win 7 and I'd be a darn sight happier... :-)

    Wenda.
    To port or not to port, that is the question ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoteo View Post
    desktop will never be removed imo , it will be improved as always but never removed.

    and why remove it if you can have both ? better to have the greeks and the trojans happy.
    People have asked the same about the start button and direct access to the desktop, but both were removed.
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  7. #17


    A reason why the start button may never come back in this article.

    Windows 8 moved the cheese, Windows Blue doesn't put it back | ZDNet
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  8. #18


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    Just had a look at Iobit start menu for 8 (free) . It seems pretty good.

    A lot of these type of things out there - just shows that nobody wants one.
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  9. #19


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    People do not like change.
    Wrong.

    People do not like change for the worse.

    People do not like change being forced on them - e.g in the workplace - they now have to make an effort instead of just carrying out their dreary task like automatons.

    I think that may be where this myth comes from.

    People do like change for the better. They like new things. That is why so much packaging carries the word "New".
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    It's become symbolic of a problem that Microsoft doesn't seem to understand..
    .

    I think he is right with that bit.
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