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  1. #61


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    This is weird? I have a Kinect set up so I can use hand jesters. I was just getting ready to take some of my medication. The instructions say to shake vigorously before taking. I did that and all of a sudden all these porn sites opened up in IE? What's up with that?











    Sorry couldn't resist, all this talk of touch and gestures made me think of the funny side of it if things went bad.

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  2. #62


    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 6,490
    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit


    On a more serous note, some of those changes sound to me like a step in the right direction. It looks like they are trying to address some of the short comings of Metro. Having things easier to find isn't a bad move either. This should make those that already like Windows 8 even happier.
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  3. #63


    Posts : 959
    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    This is weird? I have a Kinect set up so I can use hand jesters. I was just getting ready to take some of my medication. The instructions say to shake vigorously before taking. I did that and all of a sudden all these porn sites opened up in IE? What's up with that?
    I give it 2 years before that's a real-life issue!
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  4. #64


    Quote Originally Posted by HG
    Just because we use a traditional means of navigation, doesn't mean there's not a better way.
    I agree, there might be some even better way to interract than mouse&keyboard but it's not touchscreen as far as normal, monitor-on-desk computers. And FYI, the mouse is tracking hand gestures... there is even something called "mouse gestures"...
    Quote Originally Posted by HG
    yet we're going to complain that a monitor is too close? I don't understand that at all.
    Nor do I. My monitor is almost 1 m away from me (3 feet) and I couldn't touch it even by streching my arm to the maximum. To touch my screen I'd have to raise my a** and lean foward over the table... LOL. I mean had I got a touch screen in front of me on my desk I wouldn't be able to reach it. It could be useful in case of mouse failure tought...
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke
    Anyone that is a graphic designer of any kind once introduced to touch would hands down use touch over an awkward mouse all the time. You don't draw with a mouse, it is not natural.
    You'r right, you use a drawing tablet with a stylus... but you still watch a (non touch) screen while drawing. Some drawing tablets come with a screen display on it, but I find that useless since I naturaly look at the vertical screen when working. (I do use a drawing tablet from time to time and kids love it too). The drawing tablet is far more precise than the mouse. But not without a stylus. Should one use a drawing tablet with one's own finger that would be just good for abstract art and water color brush effects!
    Quote Originally Posted by SnowyChuwy
    Aero Glass might never make a comeback.
    It's a question of fashion. Changes every 3 years...
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  5. #65


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    I think Windows 8 also needs a head bobbing detector, with maybe a tongue sensor included. Thus all major body parts can be integrated into a seamless device control system.
    What did you say in a post about doing what to the messenger???...........
    No messengers shot with that post. I was being serious. I was looking to the future of computer control.
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  6. #66


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Basically the things you use to control the computer (mouse/ trackpad/ keyboard/ whatever) need to be level with your elbow height and the top of the screen needs to be level with your eye height.

    Using a touchscreen for long periods mean either you're looking down all the time (bad for the neck and back) or you're reaching up all the time (bad for the arms). This is poor ergonomics in all countries and if an employer tried it on you in the UK, you could quote the health and safety regulations at them until they replace the computer with something compliant.

    Although the regulations are a few years old, whatever the advances in technology, people still come with the same model of neck, back and arms as they did back then.
    This is an excellent point. At least when you use a mouse, keyboard and screen, you change your neck position from time to time when you type. But on tablets you look at it always the same way. I noticed when I use my tablet that I cannot do that for a longer period of time without my neck stiffening up.
    Wasn't there a time where there was a proper way of sitting at a computer? Even then, there were warnings on keyboards back in the '90s I remember about ergonomic health or whatever concerning that.

    But that's not really a concern these days, not many regard that.
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    Same thing goes for touch, the optimal way to use it I find on a desktop is basically like using a drafting easel. You have it tilted down, you look kind of down at it, and just touch it. Or if you want it tilted up, basically operate it in a similar fashion as a laptop, you do not sit away from a laptop five feet away. The screen should be about less than arms length away when properly sat down by it. I personally don't get fatigued as I already have a habit of resting my elbow on top of my desktop, basically in a thinking man pose, when I peruse the internet. So combine that with a touchscreen, just tap and poke from there. But that's me.

    Also, it looks awful and weird when people literally stare all the way down at the floor like a monk when they use their phones. I don't do that, I have my Windows Phone in front of me, so I can see what else is going on around me so I don't fall in a hole and die.
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  7. #67


    Posts : 959
    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Wasn't there a time where there was a proper way of sitting at a computer? Even then, there were warnings on keyboards back in the '90s I remember about ergonomic health or whatever concerning that.

    But that's not really a concern these days, not many regard that.
    It's still current, with legal force, in the UK for employers providing computers for users to work with. Employers have to comply with it if they expect people to use computers as part of their jobs (which of course covers a lot of jobs these days).

    So for instance, the actual legislation says:
    The keyboard shall be tiltable and separate from the screen so as to allow the operator or user to find a comfortable working position avoiding fatigue in the arms or hands.
    Interestingly it also says this. I think Microsoft would do well to pay attention to the last bit about software ergonomics; if they get that wrong it would effectively be illegal to use Windows 10 or whatever in the workplace
    In designing, selecting, commissioning and modifying software, and in designing tasks using display screen equipment, the employer shall take into account the following principles:
    (a)software must be suitable for the task;
    (b)software must be easy to use and, where appropriate, adaptable to the level of knowledge or experience of the operator or user; no quantitative or qualitative checking facility may be used without the knowledge of the operators or users;
    (c)systems must provide feedback to operators or users on the performance of those systems;
    (d)systems must display information in a format and at a pace which are adapted to operators or users;
    (e)the principles of software ergonomics must be applied, in particular to human data processing.
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  8. #68


    Quote Originally Posted by DavidY View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Wasn't there a time where there was a proper way of sitting at a computer? Even then, there were warnings on keyboards back in the '90s I remember about ergonomic health or whatever concerning that.

    But that's not really a concern these days, not many regard that.
    It's still current, with legal force, in the UK for employers providing computers for users to work with. Employers have to comply with it if they expect people to use computers as part of their jobs (which of course covers a lot of jobs these days).

    So for instance, the actual legislation says:
    The keyboard shall be tiltable and separate from the screen so as to allow the operator or user to find a comfortable working position avoiding fatigue in the arms or hands.
    Interestingly it also says this. I think Microsoft would do well to pay attention to the last bit about software ergonomics; if they get that wrong it would effectively be illegal to use Windows 10 or whatever in the workplace
    In designing, selecting, commissioning and modifying software, and in designing tasks using display screen equipment, the employer shall take into account the following principles:
    (a)software must be suitable for the task;
    (b)software must be easy to use and, where appropriate, adaptable to the level of knowledge or experience of the operator or user; no quantitative or qualitative checking facility may be used without the knowledge of the operators or users;
    (c)systems must provide feedback to operators or users on the performance of those systems;
    (d)systems must display information in a format and at a pace which are adapted to operators or users;
    (e)the principles of software ergonomics must be applied, in particular to human data processing.
    Not sure about the rest of the world, but it's gotten out of hand here in the U.S. IMO. Government is too big and too expensive. A bunch of bureaucrats sitting in their offices creating more work for themselves via rules and regulations and employment positions when there's more work load carrying out their rules and regulations. This is how government has gotten to be big. It also stifles commerce.

    I'm all for public safety and health, but some of these rules and regulations are simply common sense that should be left to the people themselves. The (a) (b) (c)'s you quoted are absolutely ludicrous . #1. They are common sense. #2. Who is the government to dictate to a business what is right or wrong to use?

    I've been in the building industry for 43 years. I've seen code books grow to astronomical sizes. As I've stated, I'm all for public safety and health, but a lot of rules and regulations that have simply gotten out of hand.

    i.e. There's a town in our county that made it a rule in their code that two houses next to each other cannot be the same color. (Vinyl siding is used most here in new housing developments.) The building company of that project now does extra work in keeping track of that. Some people are not allowed to have the color they desire. Absolutely ludicrous IMO.

    There's so many I'd like to comment on I could write a book. Here's the worse one. We're tornado prone here, especially in the Spring. I had a contract to frame a fairly large apartment complex roughly 10 years ago. They were three story buildings. They were set atop concrete frost walls and concrete slab floors. Code stated that at every outside corner two perforated steel straps were to be installed 16 inches in from the corners and every 12 feet down the wall. The straps were to be nailed every 16 inches to the interior edge of the studs continuously from the 1st floor wall bottom plate to the 3rd floor wall top plate. The 1st floor studs were fastened to the concrete slab with a specialized seismic steel anchor to a 1/2 inch bolt protruding from the slab. 2 lag bolts were used to fasten to the studs. There were approximately 20 straps per building. A lot of cost of material and labor.

    Guess what happened? A tornado came through a few years ago. Guess what was left of two buildings? You guessed it. The straps, the studs they were fastened to, and the bottom wall plates. Sadly 3 people lost their lives in those buildings that day. Says a lot for codes and engineering. Common sense tells that perhaps the cost should have gone into a tornado or fallout shelter. Perhaps the three would still be alive. I guess in this instance the government didn't know how powerful a tornado really is.
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  9. #69


    Germany/Florida
    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    I'm all for public safety and health, but some of these rules and regulations are simply common sense that should be left to the people themselves
    Find me employer that goes by common sense if he can save a buck. I think the laws should be even stricter.
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  10. #70


    Hafnarfjrur IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    Legislation in developed countries does not REQUIRE the employer to provide a computer -- I've done some contracts where part of the brief is you have to supply your OWN laptop.

    What the legislation DOES require is that "The workplace is safe and fit for purpose" I.e properly ventilated, between specific temperatures, safe environmentally (no power cables all over the place etc), Fire exits clearly marked and accessible and SUCH EQUIPMENT that the EMPLOYER provides is SAFE to use and operated according to the various health and safety regs in force.

    The whole EU 'elf 'n safety brigade is such a mess now that if you buy say an electric Hairdryer it even has to have a warning on it (in about 97 different languages so the Manual is about the thickness of the Bible and probably causes more destruction to forests than anything else) saying that this product is dangerous to use in a Bath or shower. !!!

    I'm waiting to see if someone gets a million Euro damages award because they have dropped a keyboard on their toe. - Surprised it hasn't happened yet -- even in the US where "Ambulance Chasing" practices are endemic.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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