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Windows Blue: No Windows desktop mode!? No!

  1. #41


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    I'll quote this, then expand on it:
    I don't think the desktop will be bone forever, but I think the layers will change.

    Currently Metro runs on top of the desktop. you can do a fair amount, but more intricate stuff requires you to drop down to the Desktop.

    I think Microsoft will try to make metro the core, with desktop more of a sandboxed "virtual machine"/compatibility mode. RT devices will have Desktop gone completely, but x86 computers will still have desktop for the foreseeable future. Once the core is rebuilt, Microsoft may begin to either block code that doesn't use preferred APIs, or some other method of discouraging the use of 1990's legacy code while promoting newer, compliant, and safer code.
    Desktop environment doesn't work as well with touchscreen input, So I can see Microsoft wanting to remove it completely, especially for those upcoming 7" arm devices.

    But Desktop has so many of Windows programs (even Office RT, but that may change in Gemini or later), so Microsoft will still require it. I can foresee it being separated from the core more, even to the point of eventually being a downloadable addon like XP-mode.

    I have to admit that in the short term Microsoft will do as much as possible to kill desktop mode in order to promote Metro developement. Developers are simply not coding for Metro, because their applications still work perfectly fine. BUT, a proper window manager is just too damn useful to get rid of completely. It may not be entirely familiar, as I expect Microsoft will strip support for most non-Metro APIs (like activeX or DLLs). But it will continue to exist. I don't think the API stripping would be too bad, primarily stuff that heralds back to XP and is exploitable or unreliable.

    But there's really no way to know for sure. It is Microsoft's call, but they still need to sell their product. And desktops are a core part of their business.

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  2. #42


    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonhead98 View Post
    if microsoft removed the desktop i would get a Mac
    And I just have to ask. What will you do if Mac removes the desktop too?

    People were saying similar remarks when XP came out, then Vista, even 7. About all we can do is take it in stride and keep the stress level down.
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  3. #43


    Posts : 302
    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by FuturDreamz View Post
    Desktop environment doesn't work as well with touchscreen input, So I can see Microsoft wanting to remove it completely, especially for those upcoming 7" arm devices.
    So make a desktop enviornment that does work well with touchscreen input.

    The thing you need to remember is that the desktop is just an interface. That interface is a visual representation of the Applications on your hard drive. Now, if you talk about getting rid of the visual representation known as the desktop, thats one thing. If you're talking about removing the ability to compile and run executables in favor of RT as the sole operating system, thats another. At that point, they'll have simply turned the PC into another mobile device and imo made a grave error as there a lot of applications(particularly high-end games and applications) that would simply crumble under the requirements that the RT app environment imposes. When was the last time a Call of Duty game(talking the exact same one you see on say a PC or Console) was released for iOS?

    Either way, i've been trying to put my finger on why exactly the Start Screen irks me. The tile interface is an interesting take, the problem is the psychology of it. By taking and placing the tiles all within a highly constrained area rectangle inside of the screen area rectangle, it gives the impression of being enclosed. The desktop and most major interfaces end at the edge of the screen and give the impression of being open and being only constrained by the size of your screen. That sense of closedness and openess carries over to the user. Every time I bounce to the desktop its feeling like being let out of a box. A bigger screen is simply a bigger box, whereas with the desktop a bigger screen feels like more openness.

    Now, I do like it when apps run, because they go to the extents of the screen and feel like they take over the device(great for tablet, not so much for a monitor). But those are the apps. I do also like some of the stuff like Search and what not.. basically ways of being able to find what you want with minimal typing.. like 'con' and control panel is right there.

    But really.. the main problem they have at the moment is the constraints of that Start Screen. An iPhone or Android phone doesn't do that. You have icons and the area you can use them in extends to the extents of the screen. Either way, I think its a bit of a mistake to try to provide everything you have available on one screen. The problem is that of white noise. The same as having massive amounts of toolbars, ribbons, and/or drop-down options. In the Game of Interfaces, more stuff on the screen is not preferable to having the stuff you most need and use available when you need it in a place you expect to see it. Thats why we pin applications to the task bar.
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  4. #44


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by pcRat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonhead98 View Post
    if microsoft removed the desktop i would get a Mac
    And I just have to ask. What will you do if Mac removes the desktop too?

    People were saying similar remarks when XP came out, then Vista, even 7. About all we can do is take it in stride and keep the stress level down.
    Probably by the time that happens in Windows, the Desktop being gone, the mac os will be basically irrelevant. It will be ios, or some hybrid cross of ios and mac os considering how arrogant tim cook seems. Once they get pushed back with Windows and android, they'll have to do something like Microsoft did to stay relevant.
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  5. #45


    Posts : 740
    Windows 8.1


    Quote Originally Posted by chrisa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FuturDreamz View Post
    Desktop environment doesn't work as well with touchscreen input, So I can see Microsoft wanting to remove it completely, especially for those upcoming 7" arm devices.
    So make a desktop enviornment that does work well with touchscreen input.
    It would still be fairly incompatible with current desktop apps. They'd all would need to be re-skinned at the bare minimum. And there's no incentive to do so.
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