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Windows Blue: No Windows desktop mode!? No!

  1. #31


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    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode


    Microsoft may well be highly arrogant, and I doubt we'd find many to argue otherwise, regardless of any other opinion(s)....but not hedging their bets seems way too off the chart even for them.

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  2. #32


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    @Coke Robot

    Metro style apps is NOT the way of the future --even with TWO apps concurrently.

    How do you suggest in future translating several documents into a 3rd / 4th language without being able to see them ALL concurrently, compare several web sites, compose presentations which need embedded objects such as spread sheets, multi-media, other documents etc.

    Whether it's called The Desktop, Metro, or the My Grandmothers Cat interface is irrelevant -- but what is 100% certain is that MANY applications will STILL require the ability to show multi windows CONCURRENTLY. How that interface will be called in future I don't know and care even less but the current name of WINDOWS seems to suggest that Windowing applications will still be an important part of the OS.

    The Two screen approach to metro seems also HALF BAKED -- we need RE-SIZABLE and MULTI Windows -- and I don't really care whether the application is launched via the Start screen or an Old fashioned menu.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    With multipane. Like a picture-in-pictures TV. One can open a multiple amount of apps to open on a "Modern desktop". Not only perform this, but be able to save the configured "Metro/Modern desktop" for future use to use again and again.

    e.g. I perform building estimating. I'll have an Excel worksheet, calculator (although I have custom templates that add column data), IE for pricing research, Notepad for notes, and a labor estimating reference book open. I usually flip through things rather than window, but that's me. These are the apps/programs I always use. I will be able to configure all these on my "personalized Metro/Modern desktop" and save it to open again. One may be able to configure this with dual or multiple monitors. There's always been one fascinating feature of computers -> Anything is possible.

    I'm not that knowledgeable to know if that's possible in Metro/Modern. I see in Blue that it's possible to snap as many as 4 apps if one has the proper resolution. I would imagine that vertical snap has to do with horizontal scroll?

    Anywho, I feel all software will be written in the Metro/Modern interface. The desktop will eventually go when that is completed. I see that more of the system settings have been moved over to the Modern/Metro side in Blue, so I think that's the way things will eventually go.

    I noticed you're multi lingual and perform translation. Is there not programs that perform this automatically? Into multiple languages simultaneously? I often wondered.
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  3. #33


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    Yes, I think that's right - depending on screen res, it migh be possible to get 4 open.

    If they keep going like this - eventually they may be able to get close to what you have already been able to do for ages on the desktop.

    What is the point of that, I wonder.
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  4. #34


    Posts : 154
    Windows 8.1 Professional 64-bit


    I think and hope that this is only speculation from the article's so called "experts".
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  5. #35


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    It might take a very long time to get rid of the desktop.

    Meanwhile, MS are trying to keep most people virtually all the time in the phone interface.

    Why do you think that is?
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  6. #36


    Redmond
    Posts : 651
    Windows 8.1 x64


    It's easier to develop for, can be ported across multiple architectures much easier, allows easier scaling of screen resolutions, less appcompat issues as the OS underneath is rev'ed upwards over the years, provides better security for both the app and the underlying OS, and tend to (due to all of these things) work better across a broader range of hardware (by that I mean phone to tablet to laptop to desktop).

    No the desktop isn't going away, but applications in the "store" or "modern" (or metro, or whatever) interface for the vast majority of users are enough, and provide a host of benefits to the developers, Microsoft, and the users that you don't get with traditional apps. I'm not saying desktop apps are going away anytime soon (we all know they aren't), but there are real benefits to store-style apps.
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  7. #37


    Leicester
    Posts : 107
    Windows 8.1 Pro X64


    if microsoft removed the desktop i would get a Mac
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  8. #38


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there

    I really don't care a tenth of a Eurocent whether or not a "Desktop" is retained -- however I really NEED the flexibility to dynamically RE-SIZE windows and be able to jig around as many (or as few) apps concurrently on multiple monitors. Having Fixed size resolutions depending on your hardware is totally rubbish -- For example on say three separate large spread sheet I might only need to display a few cells from each -- not necessarily the same number --therefore not in the same size windows.

    Whether to start an application I use a taskbar, the start screen or custom toolbars to me is largely irrelevant - but having rte-sizeable windows is a MUST.

    @HippsieGypsie -- Automated translations might be OK in translating specific words for example a menu in a restaurant (although most of the top expensive type (Michelin Star) restaurants seem to have the menu in French anyway) you can never convey a Human's interpretation and style via an automated translation -- not until we can create Cyborgs possessing emotion as well as pure intelligence. Automated translations certainly have a place in making an intitial pass of the text to get a quick sense what the author is on about but when you read a translated piece of text it's childishly simple for almost everybody to tell whether it's "Translation-ese" or a proper piece of work.

    An Engineering / scientific / maths theorem might be "automatically or machine translatable" as these are logical defined steps usually with clear meanings, - but things like Poetry, literature, Business discussions, Contract negociations, legal documents or even "bog standard Politics" do not lend themselves to this process.

    Take even a standard work like "The Bible" -- now I'm not religious but just try reading of a few of the old phrases in the King James version -- how could you "Machine translate" those often beautiful expressions.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #39


    Posts : 959
    Windows 8.1, 10


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I really don't care a tenth of a Eurocent whether or not a "Desktop" is retained -- however I really NEED the flexibility to dynamically RE-SIZE windows and be able to jig around as many (or as few) apps concurrently on multiple monitors. Having Fixed size resolutions depending on your hardware is totally rubbish -- For example on say three separate large spread sheet I might only need to display a few cells from each -- not necessarily the same number --therefore not in the same size windows.

    Whether to start an application I use a taskbar, the start screen or custom toolbars to me is largely irrelevant - but having rte-sizeable windows is a MUST.
    Yep - I think this is spot-on.

    If MS rewrite everything so that it's in a Metro/Modern style, perhaps getting rid of the more flaky bits of code in the old desktop, but with resizeable and overlappable windows, this would be pretty much OK with me.
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  10. #40


    @ Jimbo (and others)

    I always knew that windowing was a problem with 8 for many. I'm a "flipper" so it doesn't affect me much, but it's not a me thing is it? It's a we thing. I feel MS knows this that's why the "four app snap" in Blue as we've seen. It may suffice for some, but not all. Multipane may be a good compromise? Not sure.

    I hear what you're saying about machine translation. They may be able to translate manuals, but not to convey the "human spirit". I don't think it'll ever happen nor do I hope it'll ever happen. That would surely degrade the human race.

    Thanks for answering.
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