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  1. #171


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
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    You know, you can interact with metro using a mouse, right? Again, try it for more than 5 minutes.
    Do you really believe that I haven't used it fully? I don't criticise thing about which I know nothing.

    If you want to have one or more of the apps, such as weather, news etc visible on one screen, while working on the desktop on another, you can't. It's full screen only for apps and only on the main screen where you want the desktop. You can't move anything around, you can't multi-task whatsoever.

    What cretin thought up a system like this for a desktop that's supposed to be Windows (plural)?
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    you mean you can't do this??? O_o

    I think you need to browse some of the tutorials floating around...

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  2. #172


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    What I view on my two screens depends on what I'm doing, sometimes both screens are utilised, but with different programs open. I may have two mapping programs open, Garmin Basecamp on one and Memory Map on the other as I plan trips, convert from Garmin format to GPX. I might have Lightroom open on one screen and SilverEFX Pro on the other. Then I may be using multiple sessions of IE on two screens, when doing some research. And many other similar situations.

    But then I don't always need the second screen and when I do, I can open whatever I need on a temporary basis on the second screen. The fact that I can't natively open any number of chosen apps and have then reside and arranged to suit my needs on the other screen is dumb. I just downloaded the trial version of ModernMix to see how it goes. It works quite well, but is unfortunately hobbled by the fact that the app developers aren't creating their apps for this capability, but for full screen viewing, as shown here (only the calendar app resizes correctly):


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    I'm absolutely gobsmacked that this sort of functionality wasn't designed into the Windows 8 app specifications from the outset. It really is nothing more than a mobile phone interface, totally ignoring the capability of large desktop/laptop and even tablet screens.
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  3. #173


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    Windows 7 on the desktop, Windows 8 Surface Pro mobile


    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    You cannot open say the weather app, in a user defined size, on one screen and a desktop program in another in Windows 8.
    Well, when I am doing all my graphics tooling, spreadsheet work and word processing, there is zero space for weather or news windows. I am working. If I want to know the weather or news, I will take a 5 second flip to the app then zoom back in a millisecond. If I want to read a news article, I don't need my spreadsheet on the same page. Market status can also be picked up with a metro app and examined then flipped back to the desk to work. If one has special needs, then special software will be needed.

    We can agree to disagree with preferences. As another advocate stated, they prefer to have all desktop work launched and run from the desktop. Never leaving the desktop is key to many. I really am not in that camp.

    Don't some Linux distros have multi desktops? I think one has 6 desktops available.
    From my point of view, flipping to an immersive app is no different than going to another page.
    For the flip side, I'll have 1-n applications open and all on on the desktop :>. The top 2-3 will end up being the most used, everything else falls to the back. All of it can be referenced at the lower left based on program. But i'll be using say Visual Studio and need to reference an open text file that i'm say making a format for(just a for instance), or i'll need to open some output that I've created in explorer, or i'll need a way of doing something in code and reference the web. As long as the reference documents doesn't overlap with studio, I usually just click it to bring it to front, then click VS to go back. A second monitor might be useful, but I like being focused head-on on what i'm doing.

    The core thing being it seems you are now used to basically 'channel surfing' your applications, and so the Mobile Interface doesn't bother you. For me, I only like viewing one channel(the desktop) and I adjust what i'm seeing at any given time. It gives a lot more feeling of control and fidelity with the applications I use. Its like the difference between an automatic and a manual transmission. As you say, we can agree to disagree on preference, but if I choose to go desktop, I only want to stay on that one channel. They simply need to keep the two interfaces separate so both of us can be happy.

    The whole point of 10 years of WPF and XAML development by Microsoft getting built and separated from say C#, VB, VC++ was that it would separate the interface from the underlying code. As such, it shouldn't take any longer to simply compile up a program as a .exe than it would be to wrap it in a .appx.
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  4. #174


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    But then I don't always need the second screen and when I do, I can open whatever I need on a temporary basis on the second screen. The fact that I can't natively open any number of chosen apps and have then reside and arranged to suit my needs on the other screen is dumb.
    you can easily rearrange your Modern apps with your desktop apps on a multimonitor setup. the primary display is independent of the start screen/metro display. you change your primary display through the screen resolution or the control panel for your graphics. for moving the Modern apps around, you can either click in the left lower corner of the desired monitor or you can physically drag the app to the desired monitor.

    a couple mouse clicks were needed to switch between these displays:

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    it's not perfect and could use work. but I can't wait to try out a finished Windows 8.1 and see the improvements on what I can do right now.
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  5. #175


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    To be quite honest, I can't make heads or tails of those dual monitor display images. To me they look just like one wide monitor, not two separate monitors, so I can't see where one finishes and the other starts. A simple photograph of the dual monitor setup would be easier for any discussion.
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  6. #176


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    it's 3 monitors. the far left is an old 1280x1024. the central is a vertical 1080x1920. the right is a landscape 1920x1080.
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    It doesn't make things any easier.
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  8. #178


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    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
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    You know, you can interact with metro using a mouse, right? Again, try it for more than 5 minutes.
    Do you really believe that I haven't used it fully? I don't criticise thing about which I know nothing. I have used the mouse with that interface extensively, it's the only way to interact with a non-touch dual monitor setup. The interface simply sucks.

    Without the likes of Classic Shell, Windows 8 is an abortion, neither fish or fowl. If you want to have one or more of the apps, such as weather, news etc visible on one screen, while working on the desktop on another, you can't. It's full screen only for apps and only on the main screen where you want the desktop. You can't move anything around, you can't multi-task whatsoever.

    What cretin thought up a system like this for a desktop that's supposed to be Windows (plural)?
    I'm actually not as rabidly pro-Metro as you might think, certainly not in its current state. I don't even use it at all on my machine, other than the start screen. But the limitations it has now will not remain. You've got to see the potential. Take a look at the Windows 1.0 desktop, which is floating around on one of these threads, and compare its functionality with a current version. Very different, isn't it? You don't think Metro will evolve? Look outside the box for a second and past what's immediately around you and in front of you. Metro is the future, because it has to be, and the only way it will succeed in that, is to become more capable. Microsoft knows this. They won't let it fail, because if it does, they fail. That's why they're pushing it so forcefully. It's not the end of desktop computing - it's just the beginning.
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  9. #179


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    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    One of the REAL problems with the mobile phone type of interface is how do you arrange the APPS in a decently "Dynamically" sortable order.

    With Windows 8 at least the Search retrieves your desired app quickly but on an Android smart phone one has to scroll "Ad Nauseam" to find the app you want. -- I suspect that even for smartphones - especially with the newer larger ones the standard Scrolling will start to irritate users. -- It's OK say you've just got say a max of 10 apps on your phone -- but once you need to scroll for five or six times then it gets HORRIBLE --even on a mobile phone.

    So I think even for Android phones the current "Tiled" interface will have to change to improve the user experience -- For a test just try installing say 30- 40 FREE apps on your phone and now start using a few at random -- the experience actually starts getting quite HORRIBLE - and this is on a PHONE so what Ms was thinking of with their hideous start screen I don't know.

    I don't really miss the start menu as I use toolbars, the quick launch bar and some desktop short cuts - but the start screen is a DISASTER as it exists at the moment.

    I'm actually surprised that even on a MOBILE the setup becomes basically unuseable or at least not comfortable as you increase the number of apps you have on your phone.

    Anyway -- just try it -- the smaller the screen size on your smartphone the quicker you'll see what I'm driving at -- install say between 30 - 40 FREE apps and start testing -- apps are easily uninstalled again afterwards so you won't "break" anything.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  10. #180


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    freeeekyyy

    The thing is, what the start menu, or MPI, could have been was so patently obvious from its very first use, that I keep repeating that it beggars belief that it came out as crippled as it is. It's not a case of 'potential' it's a case of why was it broken in the first place? Anyone that has used a desktop for even a few years accepts 'Windows' as a fundamental part of the computing experience. The MPI delivers a 'Window' experience.

    jimbo45

    I was using, until recently, a Windows 6.5 mobile phone. I found it very easy to arrange my most used apps in one screen (under Programs and kind of like the desktop). It also has a taskbar for features that are used more often, just like a Windows 7 taskbar and it provides a start menu equivalent for all those apps that I didn't use frequently (All Programs). This is very much like a traditional Windows 7 and previous methodology of menu arrangement.

    So why the need for radical change?
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