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  1. #151


    Posts : 37
    Windows 8 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The GUI is what brought the computer into the mainstream and got average people involved, and the command line is still in use today. Touch is nothing new, nor is it in anyway comparable to the impact that the GUI had on computing. Touch is just an alternative way to interact with a device, I don't understand why people elevate touch to some god like stature just because Windows 8 has made it more mainstream in Windows computers.
    Of course people still use the command line, and they will continue to use the desktop for a long time as well. But that doesn't mean touch interfaces won't become the primary method of interacting with the computer. If you really think metro is no different from previous, outdated touch interfaces, I suggest you use it for more than 5 minutes. Give it a shot. It has an intuitive quality to it that you don't see pretty much anywhere else. It needs to be filled out for sure, because it's very lacking, but the basics are all there. It's time to look at the potential and quit being focused on the past.

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  2. #152


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The GUI is what brought the computer into the mainstream and got average people involved, and the command line is still in use today. Touch is nothing new, nor is it in anyway comparable to the impact that the GUI had on computing. Touch is just an alternative way to interact with a device, I don't understand why people elevate touch to some god like stature just because Windows 8 has made it more mainstream in Windows computers.
    Of course people still use the command line, and they will continue to use the desktop for a long time as well. But that doesn't mean touch interfaces won't become the primary method of interacting with the computer. If you really think metro is no different from previous, outdated touch interfaces, I suggest you use it for more than 5 minutes. Give it a shot. It has an intuitive quality to it that you don't see pretty much anywhere else. It needs to be filled out for sure, because it's very lacking, but the basics are all there. It's time to look at the potential and quit being focused on the past.
    I have no doubt that touch will not become the primary method of interacting with a computer, unless the human body evolves so that arms become 4'-5' long and fingers (at least a few) become thin and pointed.

    For your 'edumacation', I've been using Windows 8 since it came on sale (and tried the pre-versions), I detest the new interface and use Classic Shell to completely avoid that abortion of an interface. I do not want to work with two 24" mobile phone screens (in landscape mode) when using my computer. There is no future for the new interface on a desktop, it died at birth but Microsoft doesn't realise it.
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  3. #153


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The first thing I do is disable CIP. If Microsoft wants to know what I do, let them ask, not pry.
    Generally, those settings are shown to you, as in Windows 8's OOBE screen.

    Also, this right here is a HUGE peeve of mine.

    "Microsoft didn't design Windows 8 for me!"

    Really? You disable the service in Windows that reports back usage metrics for them to improve certain UI features or remove certain UI features and such, and expect THEM to listen to YOU, when you disable CIP right off the bat?! That is the MOST absurd and rather selfish thing I've ever heard in my life. You LITERALLY have no opinion on the changes on Windows 8 whether you like them or not if you had CIP disabled previously. No opinion whatsoever! That's how THEY listen to YOU! They don't go and read each bloody thread on their Microsoft Support Forums about people suggesting things or complaining, they use that data to find things out; such as it is useless to keep Media Center when people with Windows 7 only opened for less than a few minutes and never opened it up again. Is it worth keeping that in Windows 8? Not really! It is waste of time and effort to be complaining publically on public forums about Windows 8, and then turn around to say you INTENTIALLY refused to send menial bits of usage metrics to Microsoft to extrapolate on that was later used to design Windows 8!

    It just leaves me speechless to read or hear about people whining about Windows 8 and then later find out that they disable CIP. That is simply arrogant, ignorant, and self righteous. Who are they to be complaining about something they didn't even have any input to begin with?

    Seriously....
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  4. #154


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by freeeekyyy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The GUI is what brought the computer into the mainstream and got average people involved, and the command line is still in use today. Touch is nothing new, nor is it in anyway comparable to the impact that the GUI had on computing. Touch is just an alternative way to interact with a device, I don't understand why people elevate touch to some god like stature just because Windows 8 has made it more mainstream in Windows computers.
    Of course people still use the command line, and they will continue to use the desktop for a long time as well. But that doesn't mean touch interfaces won't become the primary method of interacting with the computer. If you really think metro is no different from previous, outdated touch interfaces, I suggest you use it for more than 5 minutes. Give it a shot. It has an intuitive quality to it that you don't see pretty much anywhere else. It needs to be filled out for sure, because it's very lacking, but the basics are all there. It's time to look at the potential and quit being focused on the past.
    I have no doubt that touch will not become the primary method of interacting with a computer, unless the human body evolves so that arms become 4'-5' long and fingers (at least a few) become thin and pointed.

    For your 'edumacation', I've been using Windows 8 since it came on sale (and tried the pre-versions), I detest the new interface and use Classic Shell to completely avoid that abortion of an interface. I do not want to work with two 24" mobile phone screens (in landscape mode) when using my computer. There is no future for the new interface on a desktop, it died at birth but Microsoft doesn't realise it.
    You really don't understand how to use a touchscreen on the desktop....
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  5. #155


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The first thing I do is disable CIP. If Microsoft wants to know what I do, let them ask, not pry.
    Generally, those settings are shown to you, as in Windows 8's OOBE screen.

    Also, this right here is a HUGE peeve of mine.

    "Microsoft didn't design Windows 8 for me!"

    Really? You disable the service in Windows that reports back usage metrics for them to improve certain UI features or remove certain UI features and such, and expect THEM to listen to YOU, when you disable CIP right off the bat?! That is the MOST absurd and rather selfish thing I've ever heard in my life. You LITERALLY have no opinion on the changes on Windows 8 whether you like them or not if you had CIP disabled previously. No opinion whatsoever! That's how THEY listen to YOU! They don't go and read each bloody thread on their Microsoft Support Forums about people suggesting things or complaining, they use that data to find things out; such as it is useless to keep Media Center when people with Windows 7 only opened for less than a few minutes and never opened it up again. Is it worth keeping that in Windows 8? Not really! It is waste of time and effort to be complaining publically on public forums about Windows 8, and then turn around to say you INTENTIALLY refused to send menial bits of usage metrics to Microsoft to extrapolate on that was later used to design Windows 8!

    It just leaves me speechless to read or hear about people whining about Windows 8 and then later find out that they disable CIP. That is simply arrogant, ignorant, and self righteous. Who are they to be complaining about something they didn't even have any input to begin with?

    Seriously....
    Who has ever said:
    "Microsoft didn't design Windows 8 for me!"
    Tell me, exactly what does Microsoft glean from people participating in the CIP?

    And you're saying that Microsoft doesn't have anyone reading and compiling what people say on Microsoft Support Forums? If not, then clearly they don't read anything else on the internet. That beggars belief, as most major companies have huge data mining faculties that constantly scour the internet for key words in order to find out what customers think of their products. Just one example: Nestlé employs online comment watchers to monitor social media.

    No wonder Microsoft is where it's at, it's living in a cocoon where it gets no input from the rest of the world, relying just on computer data (whatever that my be) collected via the CIP (if enabled).
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  6. #156


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You really don't understand how to use a touchscreen on the desktop....
    You really don't understand how I work at my desk.
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  7. #157


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The first thing I do is disable CIP. If Microsoft wants to know what I do, let them ask, not pry.
    Generally, those settings are shown to you, as in Windows 8's OOBE screen.

    Also, this right here is a HUGE peeve of mine.

    "Microsoft didn't design Windows 8 for me!"

    Really? You disable the service in Windows that reports back usage metrics for them to improve certain UI features or remove certain UI features and such, and expect THEM to listen to YOU, when you disable CIP right off the bat?! That is the MOST absurd and rather selfish thing I've ever heard in my life. You LITERALLY have no opinion on the changes on Windows 8 whether you like them or not if you had CIP disabled previously. No opinion whatsoever! That's how THEY listen to YOU! They don't go and read each bloody thread on their Microsoft Support Forums about people suggesting things or complaining, they use that data to find things out; such as it is useless to keep Media Center when people with Windows 7 only opened for less than a few minutes and never opened it up again. Is it worth keeping that in Windows 8? Not really! It is waste of time and effort to be complaining publically on public forums about Windows 8, and then turn around to say you INTENTIALLY refused to send menial bits of usage metrics to Microsoft to extrapolate on that was later used to design Windows 8!

    It just leaves me speechless to read or hear about people whining about Windows 8 and then later find out that they disable CIP. That is simply arrogant, ignorant, and self righteous. Who are they to be complaining about something they didn't even have any input to begin with?

    Seriously....
    Who has ever said:
    "Microsoft didn't design Windows 8 for me!"
    Tell me, exactly what does Microsoft glean from people participating in the CIP?

    And you're saying that Microsoft doesn't have anyone reading and compiling what people say on Microsoft Support Forums? If not, then clearly they don't read anything else on the internet. That beggars belief, as most major companies have huge data mining faculties that constantly scour the internet for key words in order to find out what customers think of their products. Just one example: Nestlé employs online comment watchers to monitor social media.

    No wonder Microsoft is where it's at, it's living in a cocoon where it gets no input from the rest of the world, relying just on computer data (whatever that my be) collected via the CIP (if enabled).
    Beating my head with a Surface Pro is more enjoyable than discussing something with you, as there is little logic. It's like I'm reading fox news or something....
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  8. #158


    Posts : 5,707
    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You really don't understand how to use a touchscreen on the desktop....
    You really don't understand how I work at my desk.
    And you really don't understand how I can work at my desk....
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  9. #159


    Posts : 1,770
    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Beating my head with a Surface Pro is more enjoyable than discussing something with you, as there is little logic. It's like I'm reading fox news or something....
    I'm not surprised. You do get confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    You really don't understand how to use a touchscreen on the desktop....
    You really don't understand how I work at my desk.
    And you really don't understand how I can work at my desk....
    Your statement implied a lack of ability to use a touch screen. That is not the case. I can't normally reach my screens (which aren't touch enabled in anyway), nor would I find it in anyway productive or pleasant if they were, because of the way I work.
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  10. #160


    Hafnarfjörður IS
    Posts : 4,376
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10


    Hi there
    C'mon guys
    this is getting BORING now -- people obviously work at their desks in different ways -- and @COKE ROBOT - some people who use computers don't WORK AT DESKS AT ALL for any length of time- so please don't say "Touch is the future" -- If you really believe this --then I suggest you take a trip with me on my next visit to the volcano and put your fingers on some of the sensors where the temperature could be around 800 deg C. !!!.

    Let's get back to PROPER discussions -- seeing Ray8 vs Coke Robot is like trying to solve the age old mechanics problem -- what happens when an Irresistible Force meets an Unmoveable block.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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