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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    The author's general point is widely held.

    MS have a problem. A lot of people do not like what MS are offereing.

    The author hopes Blue ( or whatever they call it ) will improve the situation.

    When he says 99% it is obvious to anyone not dead from the neck up that he using it in the conversational sense.

    It isn't hard to understand.

    Hi there
    The corollary to this is that the Author's point is ALSO Widely NOT held as well. If it were I doubt whether any more than 3 people would ever be using this Forum.

    The fact that he also says he doesn't like Windows 7 would surely question the authors opinion on ANYTHING to do with Windows -- How far back does he have to go to find a Windows he DOES like. Windows NT perhaps - which probably required a DOCTORATE in computer science to get ANY application installed and working -- totally not suitable for a typical desktop user.

    We all know there are bits and pieces that could improve the OS - but it's easy enough to use - and if you get rid of the Metro apps you don't want and sort the tiles out you hardly ever have to look at the start screen - in fact just get rid of EVERYTHING except two tiles -- Desktop and one application that you usually start so that application will launch the desktop and the application -- then you never have to see the start screen again if you don't want (at least until the next boot).


    Create a Programs toolbar -- works fine -- with your favourite applications -- and I find the SEARCH is far better than windows 7 or earlier versions -- simply go to the start screen and start typing what you want -application will appear if found - just click it. It's a lot easier than hunting for stuff in a Classical menu.

    Also is clicking a toolbar which gives an almost "Classic Menu" experience such a hard thing to do -- I actually prefer working this way than having everything on the old classic menu anyway --this way you can break up sections into things convenient to you.

    I didn't see any of this type of stuff in the article or how a lot of short cut keys make the whole operation of W8 quite reasonable.

    However as far as some people are concerned = it's probably flogging a dead horse -- there's none so blind as those who refuse to see. Some folk are just going to say - I don't like it --End of. They aren't going to use it or whatever. OK that's up to them but for others there are LOADS of simple ways to enhance the usefulness of W8 for "Classical desktop working" and none of them really take long to do.

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    Good, when you talk about engineering then I will listen.

    Why was VISTA universally loathed when in fact it looks almost identical to W7 (or the other way around). - Change a few things like the stupid UAC Vista had and improve performance a bit and everybody is raving about W7 which is essentially a "Vista Mk II" -- hardly a mega change from the developers (i.e Ms's) point of view.
    I don't think it would be technologically difficult for MS to make it more palatable to the public.

    They need to understand what the dealbreakers are, and they need to be prepared to fix them.

    There are any number of things they could do.

    They might make a serious attempt to get their existing users behind them.

    Or they might just press ahead in the hope they can use their monopoly power to push through what they want.

    Or they might make it so cheap - people will buy it and just put up with it.

    It might be a fudge with elements of all those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
    Good, when you talk about engineering then I will listen.

    Why was VISTA universally loathed when in fact it looks almost identical to W7 (or the other way around). - Change a few things like the stupid UAC Vista had and improve performance a bit and everybody is raving about W7 which is essentially a "Vista Mk II" -- hardly a mega change from the developers (i.e Ms's) point of view.
    I don't think it would be technologically difficult for MS to make it more palatable to the public.

    They need to understand what the dealbreakers are, and they need to be prepared to fix them.

    There are any number of things they could do.

    They might make a serious attempt to get their existing users behind them.

    Or they might just press ahead in the hope they can use their monopoly power to push through what they want.

    Or they might make it so cheap - people will buy it and just put up with it.

    It might be a fudge with elements of all those.
    It sure looks like Window Blue is more of the same thing that we loath about Window 8.

    Windows Blue to Feature a New Start Screen, IE11 ? Leaked Screenshot Gallery - Softpedia
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    Since I can't access the Forbes article and have no association with the author, contrary to the alternate reality spokesperson/s, I don't know what he/she has said; however, by the subsequent posts, it appears that it's about the MPI (Mobile Phone Interface) and its lack of functionality on a desktop. There is no doubt that the majority of people do not like the MPI in a desktop environment, as evidenced by threads and posts on this forum, and the constant problems people appear to be having with the MPI.

    I don't think I've read one tech article that lauds the MPI in a desktop environment, but I have read many criticisms. But then, the alternate reality spokesperson/s with try and suggest that it's because these authors know nothing, haven't given it a go, are Apple/Android shills, are Microsoft haters and potentially non-human (that last one is a joke). The three on this forum who think that the MPI is the duck's guts, better get used to a rising chorus of discontent from Microsoft users the world over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    ....it appears that it's about the MPI (Mobile Phone Interface) and its lack of functionality on a desktop. There is no doubt that the majority of people do not like the MPI in a desktop environment
    The MPI as you call it, is the metro? yes... Primarily, it does not function on the desktop as it pages out to a separate screen. Functions are called from the metro that execute on the desktop but the desktop itself in Windows 8 is not an environment (UI).

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    When on the desktop, you can put the hand at the top of the screen and close it.
    It may be just paged out to memory, but one cannot close the metro.
    3rd party metro blockers (start menus) are actually a hack of the system design.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    ....it appears that it's about the MPI (Mobile Phone Interface) and its lack of functionality on a desktop. There is no doubt that the majority of people do not like the MPI in a desktop environment
    The MPI as you call it, is the metro? yes... Primarily, it does not function on the desktop as it pages out to a separate screen. Functions are called from the metro that execute on the desktop but the desktop itself in Windows 8 is not an environment (UI).

    Click image for larger version

    When on the desktop, you can put the hand at the top of the screen and close it.
    Yes, I'm referring to the Metro/Modern/Start Menu (whatever it's currently called), hence the MPI.

    I know exactly how to use the MPI, as do all the other critics; that's not the issue. The issue is that it's not a functional user interface on a desktop, it's a one screen or nothing environment and in no way adds functionality for the traditional desktop user.

    The only saving grace is that bright software developers, like Stardock, also realise that the MPI is a dog's breakfast and are working on a fix with ModernMix. ModernMix is so bleeding obvious that it beggars belief that it was not implemented from the outset (the same applies to Start8/Classic Shell/etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The three on this forum who think that the MPI is the duck's guts, better get used to a rising chorus of discontent from Microsoft users the world over.
    I am willing to adapt to the next phase. When I, for a time used Windows 7, my constant effort was to seek shell replacements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mdmd View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    ....it appears that it's about the MPI (Mobile Phone Interface) and its lack of functionality on a desktop. There is no doubt that the majority of people do not like the MPI in a desktop environment
    The MPI as you call it, is the metro? yes... Primarily, it does not function on the desktop as it pages out to a separate screen. Functions are called from the metro that execute on the desktop but the desktop itself in Windows 8 is not an environment (UI).

    Click image for larger version

    When on the desktop, you can put the hand at the top of the screen and close it.
    Yes, I'm referring to the Metro/Modern/Start Menu (whatever it's currently called), hence the MPI.

    I know exactly how to use the MPI, as do all the other critics; that's not the issue. The issue is that it's not a functional user interface on a desktop, it's a one screen or nothing environment and in no way adds functionality for the traditional desktop user.

    The only saving grace is that bright software developers, like Stardock, also realise that the MPI is a dog's breakfast and are working on a fix with ModernMix. ModernMix is so bleeding obvious that it beggars belief that it was not implemented from the outset (the same applies to Start8/Classic Shell/etc).
    As my grandmother used to say: "Oh for lamb's sake!" You mean to tell me people actually pay money for something that users hardly ever used?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    Yes, I'm referring to the Metro/Modern/Start Menu (whatever it's currently called), hence the MPI.

    I know exactly how to use the MPI, as do all the other critics; that's not the issue. The issue is that it's not a functional user interface on a desktop, it's a one screen or nothing environment and in no way adds functionality for the traditional desktop user.

    The only saving grace is that bright software developers, like Stardock, also realise that the MPI is a dog's breakfast and are working on a fix with ModernMix. ModernMix is so bleeding obvious that it beggars belief that it was not implemented from the outset (the same applies to Start8/Classic Shell/etc).
    I have tried ModernMix and it is, IMO, not very practical. The immersive apps do not always fit well into a resizable window which they were never designed to do. Separate paging and multi tasking using the edge UI is how metro is supposed to function, not in resizable windows.

    ...it's a one screen or nothing environment and in no way adds functionality for the traditional desktop user...
    How is it a nothing environment? Lot's of folks, now, have their systems partially disabled with start menu metro blockers and don't even use the system as it was designed. Metro is not currently configured for copy and paste multi tasking but simply moving from view to view could not be easier IMO.
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    There are immersive apps in the store that are fully functional file explorers and have full copy and paste functionality.
    Last time I checked, there are over 5000 apps out there. I don't have the time to review their capabilities.
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