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  1. #101


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    I don't know if we can rely on imminent figures.

    MS are able to do this bit by bit over a period.

    They have the resources .

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  2. #102


    Posts : 8
    windows 8


    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    An example I want to throw out there that the PC industry will move forward is with vista. When it came out, literally, very few mainstream PCs other than high end ones were able to run vista when it came out. Trying to run it on a single core processor with a gig of RAM was nothing more than an exercise of cursing and S&M. Just wasn't going to happen. Then something happened, the PC industry started building new vista PCs (after about a year or so, as the initial ones were mainly xp designed machines with some more RAM or subtle changes to "run" vista) with dual core processors that were 64 bit capable (some were running 32 bit vista to maintain current device compatibility) and three or four gigs of RAM with a reasonable 250+ hard drive in it. Fully suited and certified to properly run vista to an extent that wasn't too unbearable. The hardware was adapted for the software Microsoft released. Granted, it still sucked and still had a small marketshare and to this day, I think Windows 8 is nearing the next milestone of surpassing vista's current marketshare.

    Now today, the PC industry is obviously in some issue. Obviously very few people buy desktops other than the enterprise and the people who are PC competent enough to build one of their own. The PC today is not a desktop, it is a laptop. That is a PC. Go to ANY tech department in any retail store physical or online, the laptop is the forefront of the PC market. Those laptops by the way, have usually a dual core processor if not more, with at least four gigs of RAM, as that was vista's legacy. But Windows 8 doesn't need that over the top hardware, it can run on very little. It does prefer the use of touch, through a touchpad or touch screen. The industry has partly adapted to that with laptops having touchpads that have all the seven touch gestures of Windows 8 if not more. Some PCs are basically updated versions of Windows 7 models, and therefore aren't ideal for Windows 8 as their touchpads aren't up to par for edge gestures.

    As we have seen, Windows 8 is touch centric, Windows Blue is expanding on that. That's the fact. That's the momentum. As Windows 8 becomes more and more touch centric, the PC industry will have to adapt. They will in fact make laptops in touchscreens on them. They will in fact be producing new tablet PCs, the NEW PC, with better processing hardware, not just wattage constrained hardware designed for tablets. There is a saying I just recently heard, if a company internally isn't a reflection of the outside change in the world, it's not doing well. If Microsoft were to keep Windows designed solely for a mouse, it would become VERY irrelevant in the eyes of the consumer. Think Blackberry. If Microsoft were to have made a better Windows 7 for those who wanted it and Windows 8 for the touch PCs; it would be mac os and ios. Over time, Windows 8 and touch PCs will outnumber the Windows 7 and mouse enabled PCs, leaving those users in a small niche of the market developers don't develop for, but develop for the Windows touch PCs. Microsoft will just add small updates to Windows 7 to keep a small user base intact, but the future and present will be around the Windows touch PC. It could get to the point where Microsoft decides to just merge the two finally as the PC hardware will be fully touch centric and little mouse usage. But they didn't, seeing as they probably observed apple in how they went the mac os and ios route only to have them slowly but surely merge. In retrospect, that would had been pointless.
    Nicely said,

    Considering that they had to combine the old with the new as we transition into touch screen monitors, it's actually quit amazing. I'm thinking that people aren't realizing that the traditional mouse is on its way out. And that all of the negativity is by people who haven't used a multi touch pad yet. Or that they've never taken the time out to learn keyboard shortcuts. It literally took me a half hour or so to have windows 8 down. Sure at first I didn't care for it, although after using it I can't see how anyone can say that Microsoft screwed up. Unless of course like I said already, if you're using an old touch pad or a traditional mouse I can see why all the hatred. And that would only mean that they didn't update a critical piece of hardware.

    One place that I can see where Microsoft needs to come up with a different solution, is with the use of multiple monitors. Other than that, it works no different than any other version of windows when it comes to people who like to tinker with their OS.
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  3. #103


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    The traditional mouse is far from its way out. I relax back in my office chair and use then mouse constantly with IE and other programs and only lean towards the keyboard if I have to type something. A touch screen would be as useful as a shovel to operate my PC. And I also have a touch screen tablet and even with that, I prefer the keyboard and wireless mouse that I bought for it.

    People use their PCs for many differing purposes and one hat does not fit all. I just find it incredible that some people insist that everyone has to abandon what they know and like, and change to suit Windows 8, for no valid reason. And please, stop using the term 'hatred'. It is not hatred, but frustration because we do not have the choice that we used to have.
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  4. #104


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    And that would only mean that they didn't update a critical piece of hardware
    You see Ray?

    It's all your fault.

    You must go and get new hardware.

    Something with a horizontal (ish ) screen . It is bound to be poor on a vertical screen.
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  5. #105


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    Windows Phone 6, Windows CE 5, Windows Vista x32, Windows 7 x32/x64, Windows 8 x64


    A year old PC already needs a critical hardware update. Who'da thunk it?
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  6. #106


    Posts : 8
    windows 8


    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The traditional mouse is far from its way out. I relax back in my office chair and use then mouse constantly with IE and other programs and only lean towards the keyboard if I have to type something. A touch screen would be as useful as a shovel to operate my PC. And I also have a touch screen tablet and even with that, I prefer the keyboard and wireless mouse that I bought for it.

    People use their PCs for many differing purposes and one hat does not fit all. I just find it incredible that some people insist that everyone has to abandon what they know and like, and change to suit Windows 8, for no valid reason. And please, stop using the term 'hatred'. It is not hatred, but frustration because we do not have the choice that we used to have.
    You can still sit back in your chair, you just need a mouse like this one.

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2412536,00.asp

    Or this one

    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411473,00.asp

    They gives you all the options that you see on modern day cellphones. Two finger scrolling, pinch to zoom ect.. Next time you visit a store that sells laptops, play around with the touch pad.
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  7. #107


    Posts : 8
    windows 8


    And before someone complains that they shouldn't have to purchase a new mouse to take full advantage of windows 8, then don't upgrade. I happen to like it, and I shouldn't be held back because of a few who refuse to upgrade a piece of hardware to go along with the upgrade of windows 8.

    I have windows 8 on a media center PC (as well as a few others) and the pinch to doom in a browser is the bomb. And the really cool part is, it keeps just that tab zoomed in while leaving all of the other tabs at their default setting. And you can bounce back and forth from the start menu and windows desktop by just tapping the windows key.
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  8. #108


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    Quote Originally Posted by bluezr1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The traditional mouse is far from its way out. I relax back in my office chair and use then mouse constantly with IE and other programs and only lean towards the keyboard if I have to type something. A touch screen would be as useful as a shovel to operate my PC. And I also have a touch screen tablet and even with that, I prefer the keyboard and wireless mouse that I bought for it.

    People use their PCs for many differing purposes and one hat does not fit all. I just find it incredible that some people insist that everyone has to abandon what they know and like, and change to suit Windows 8, for no valid reason. And please, stop using the term 'hatred'. It is not hatred, but frustration because we do not have the choice that we used to have.
    You can still sit back in your chair, you just need a mouse like this one.

    Logitech T650 Wireless Rechargeable Touchpad Review & Rating | PCMag.com

    Or this one

    Microsoft Wedge Touch Mouse Review & Rating | PCMag.com

    They gives you all the options that you see on modern day cellphones. Two finger scrolling, pinch to zoom ect.. Next time you visit a store that sells laptops, play around with the touch pad.
    Hi there
    remember those who are getting older and crotchety -- arthritic fingers on a tiny mobile phone screen isn't in ANY WAY whatsoever as easy to use as a Mouse on a nice large laptop.

    Actually the biggest users of computers aren't the under 35's any more. I'll bet in the last few years the number of people in "The Blue Rinse" brigade using computers would surprise a lot of the youngsters. Some of these very small devices aren't really suited to this group (who still have plenty of money to spend -- I think it's called in the States something like "The Grey Dollar").

    Reminds me a bit of when the kids finally leave home how many 50+ Dads become "Born again Bikers" -- I'll have to include myself in that lot -- I haven't had so much fun for YEARS as when I bring out that old Harley again -- Woman always looks scared when I start the Engine !!!. ==>Really takes me back to my youth and I still love it coming back in dripping with mud etc while woman is so relieved I've made it back alive that there's no argument on who is cooking the evening meal.

    We're all kids at heart -- just the body physics lets us down as we age. !!

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. #109


    Posts : 8
    windows 8


    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bluezr1 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    The traditional mouse is far from its way out. I relax back in my office chair and use then mouse constantly with IE and other programs and only lean towards the keyboard if I have to type something. A touch screen would be as useful as a shovel to operate my PC. And I also have a touch screen tablet and even with that, I prefer the keyboard and wireless mouse that I bought for it.

    People use their PCs for many differing purposes and one hat does not fit all. I just find it incredible that some people insist that everyone has to abandon what they know and like, and change to suit Windows 8, for no valid reason. And please, stop using the term 'hatred'. It is not hatred, but frustration because we do not have the choice that we used to have.
    You can still sit back in your chair, you just need a mouse like this one.

    Logitech T650 Wireless Rechargeable Touchpad Review & Rating | PCMag.com

    Or this one

    Microsoft Wedge Touch Mouse Review & Rating | PCMag.com

    They gives you all the options that you see on modern day cellphones. Two finger scrolling, pinch to zoom ect.. Next time you visit a store that sells laptops, play around with the touch pad.
    Hi there
    remember those who are getting older and crotchety -- arthritic fingers on a tiny mobile phone screen isn't in ANY WAY whatsoever as easy to use as a Mouse on a nice large laptop.

    Actually the biggest users of computers aren't the under 35's any more. I'll bet in the last few years the number of people in "The Blue Rinse" brigade using computers would surprise a lot of the youngsters. Some of these very small devices aren't really suited to this group (who still have plenty of money to spend -- I think it's called in the States something like "The Grey Dollar").

    Reminds me a bit of when the kids finally leave home how many 50+ Dads become "Born again Bikers" -- I'll have to include myself in that lot -- I haven't had so much fun for YEARS as when I bring out that old Harley again -- Woman always looks scared when I start the Engine !!!. ==>Really takes me back to my youth and I still love it coming back in dripping with mud etc while woman is so relieved I've made it back alive that there's no argument on who is cooking the evening meal.

    We're all kids at heart -- just the body physics lets us down as we age. !!

    Cheers
    jimbo
    If that's the case, then they should love windows 8, because the only real difference that would change anyone's life is the start menu. It's still windows 7 but with a different start menu. And if you want, make toolbars that attach to the taskbar with shortcuts to all of your mostly used apps (programs.) I do that for every machine that I own. And once you made one you can drag and drop other shortcuts into them. Right click on the taskbar and choose toolbars, then go down to new toolbar. Name it something like "music," and then put all of your shortcuts of any music apps (programs) in there. That way you never have to use the new start menu at all.
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  10. #110


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    Posts : 4,514
    Vista and Win7


    Hi there
    remember those who are getting older and crotchety -- arthritic fingers on a tiny mobile phone screen isn't in ANY WAY whatsoever as easy to use as a Mouse on a nice large laptop.

    Actually the biggest users of computers aren't the under 35's any more. I'll bet in the last few years the number of people in "The Blue Rinse" brigade using computers would surprise a lot of the youngsters. Some of these very small devices aren't really suited to this group (who still have plenty of money to spend -- I think it's called in the States something like "The Grey Dollar").

    Reminds me a bit of when the kids finally leave home how many 50+ Dads become "Born again Bikers" -- I'll have to include myself in that lot -- I haven't had so much fun for YEARS as when I bring out that old Harley again -- Woman always looks scared when I start the Engine !!!. ==>Really takes me back to my youth and I still love it coming back in dripping with mud etc while woman is so relieved I've made it back alive that there's no argument on who is cooking the evening meal.

    We're all kids at heart -- just the body physics lets us down as we age. !!

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Very true. When I joined the local computer club a few years ago I expected to find a bunch of young geeks that would help me learn something. Instead I found 800 members that are all (with very few exceptions) over 60 years old.

    Those users are very conservative when it comes to change. And this story fully applies:

    I had one user, the sweetest lady, who was not very computer literate. After she got her new computer, she said, “Where are my programs?” I told her that I had made shortcuts on her desktop to the programs she used. She said, “When I click on the icon, that’s not the right program.” When I asked her which program she was referring to, she said, “The third icon down.” I asked her which program that was. “Oh, I don’t know the name of it. I just know on my old computer, it was the third icon down program.”
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