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    An interesting comment from Microsoft at the end of an Australian Parliamentary enquiry into software/hardware pricing:

    Microsoft: If our prices were unfair, people wouldn’t buy them

    The last cab off the rank was Microsoft, fronted by Australian managing director Pip Marlow.

    Marlow acknowledged that the company had not polled Australian customers about the fairness of its local pricing, but went on to argue that different markets require different prices and the sales figures speak for themselves:

    We don’t set a global price for our products. We don’t believe that every market is the same. Emerging markets where the cost of living and the availability of technology is different has to be priced differently. At the end of the day, if we make a price too high in a particular market, customers will look elsewhere.

    The Committee then confronted Marlow with a pricing sample of 47 Microsoft products, of which nearly 66 per cent are more expensive in Australia than the US.

    Again, Marlow cited Microsoft’s sales success in the country, claiming “if they don’t like it, they vote with their wallets”. Under repeated questioning, Marlow all but dismissed the main thrust of the inquiry, claiming: “You’re looking for one simple silver bullet. There isn’t one.”

    The Committee then rattled off some Microsoft price comparisons between US and Australia. When lumped together, the evidence is pretty sobering:

    ◾Windows 7 Professional (US: $326, AU: $469)
    ◾Office 2010 (US: $356, AU: $499)
    ◾Word 2010 (US: $142, AU: $189)
    ◾Visio Pro (US: $570, AU: $900)
    ◾Visual Studio 2012 with MSDN membership (US: $12,000, AU: $21,000)

    As the questions drew to a close, Marlow claimed that the company would “consider” using different pricing strategies as the company moves deeper into the cloud.
    IT Pricing Inquiry: A Recap Of Excuses | Lifehacker Australia

    How much deeper into the cloud does Microsoft intend to go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    How much deeper into the cloud does Microsoft intend to go?
    I think we all know the answer to that question.
    No installable programs/software.
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    Hafnarfjörđur IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray8 View Post
    How much deeper into the cloud does Microsoft intend to go?
    I think we all know the answer to that question.
    No installable programs/software.
    Hi there

    Monthly subscription process (or yearly) but subscription nevertheless.

    Time to get out those legacy OS'es again (via VM's) and the Linux Textbooks.

    As for one of the most BOVINE remarks that I've ever in my reasonably long life that I've ever heard " If Our prices were unfair people wouldn't buy" .... How could somebody even THINK of saying that much less people actually believe it.

    For example I (and I'm sure millions of hard pressed drivers) never think the price of a litre of gas is reasonable on 90% of this planet. - Not always Oil companies fault -- Greedy govt's impose usually exhorbitant taxes on it too). So even though the price is totally unreasonable I still have to buy it. If you live in rural areas you have to rely on your car -- even the most fanatical of Green party supporters don't suggest running buses to remote communities regularly or if at all.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    But then oil companies post absurd record profits. Seems skepticism is in order.
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    Seems these price 'discrepancies' exist everywhere. Take Adobe as a good (or worse) example than MS. Adobe pricing is almost a direct 1 to 1 - USD with GBP. Not sure how it works out with the AU$.

    Wish I could walk away and use a linux distro but I do need Adobe and there is no way that I can find (via Wine) of getting their programs to run.

    Good point Jimbo about fuel. Governments world wide go on and on about the price of oil but conveniently forget about their ever increasing tax take. In the UK we've got fuel tax then VAT on top of that. So a tax on a tax!!!!

    Time to get off that subject as my blood pressure is going up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mart4494 View Post
    Wish I could walk away and use a linux distro but I do need Adobe and there is no way that I can find (via Wine) of getting their programs to run.
    Forget WINE, you have to use a Windows VM.

    VMware Player and Workstation can be installed in Linux distros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Forget WINE, you have to use a Windows VM.

    VMware Player and Workstation can be installed in Linux distros.
    Thank you. May try that route with an oldish laptop I'm using with Win7.
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    Hi there
    I am about to trying running a W2K3 server VM on SUSE (and I might also try Linux Mint). Note with VMWARE for LINUX you can use EXACTLY the same VM files that you did in Windows -- just open the Virtual Machine configuration files. Linux Distros these days don't have any trouble READING / WRITING NTFS files. Just don't open the SAME VM on a shared LAN on two different HOST machines concurrently !! (unless you are not allowing the VM to "be persistent" -- i.e after your VM session you can discard all changes --very god method for titorials / demos etc).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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    Can anybody really know other then Microsoft. Here lately I find myself using my Mac more then Windows 8. Not really sure as to why since my Win 8 OS looks and feels more like Vista (just like the Vista UI better).
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    I am about to trying running a W2K3 server VM on SUSE (and I might also try Linux Mint). Note with VMWARE for LINUX you can use EXACTLY the same VM files that you did in Windows -- just open the Virtual Machine configuration files. Linux Distros these days don't have any trouble READING / WRITING NTFS files. Just don't open the SAME VM on a shared LAN on two different HOST machines concurrently !! (unless you are not allowing the VM to "be persistent" -- i.e after your VM session you can discard all changes --very god method for titorials / demos etc).

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I'll probably just partition the 250gb SSD I'm running in the Samsung laptop and dual boot. See if Mint picks up on all the bits needed as I know there are no drivers etc available from Samsung for linux. Then take it from there. Thanks for the feedback.
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