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  1. #81


    Hafnarfjörður IS
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopachi View Post
    I'm using GIMP to replace PS, it's free, does some pretty neat stuff.
    I've used GIMP for ~5 years.

    Overall GIMP does what I need and IMO it's easier to use than Photoshop.
    Some of the Photoshop tools are better though.

    I think GIMP has a better GUI than Photoshop.
    I particularly hate the Toolbox in Adobe products.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillWindows View Post
    My Internet data is 200GB per month at 118Mbs download, I can download 2GB in about 5 minutes or less on a good day.
    Nice.

    We got 200GB/month too, but we only get a maximum speed of ~6Mbs (too far from the exchange).
    Hi there
    One thing the GIMP doesn't do (or used not to do) was handle LAYERS at all. I'm always using this feature in photoshop so I'd really miss this.

    BTW I've posted previously that Adobe has considered Photoshop CS2 as "Abandonware" --It's posted serial numbers (generic) of all the CS2 suite on its website and de-activated the license / activation servers. Unless you need the new features of Photoshop such as 3-D and a few new effects CS2 is a perfectly great learning tool (also has all the layers and adjustments most users would want).

    Grab it quick as I don't know how long this will stay publically available.

    www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/

    Incidentally -- these other OS'es are fine if you want a conventional desktop -- I quite LIKE exploring the new options though.

    I haven't actually found ANYTHING I can't do on W8 that I couldn't do on W7 (apart from play Minidiscs - which I can do in an XP VM anyway) -- okay I might need to change the workflow a bit but I haven't found the OS such a pain that it would be impossible to use it on typical Non Touch laptops..

    Of course everybody is different and YMMV as always.


    Cheers
    jimbo

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  2. #82


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Probably won't do anything. The problem I see blocking any resolution for Linux is the FACT that on a new PC, there is a sticker that certifies as a WINDOWS 8 PC. Not a Linux PC. There isn't territory, domain, or monetary control that Linux has on that. This is just the same as not being able to install android on an ipad. apple controls the ipad and ios, and will never allow android to be installed on it, even though android is open sourced and whatnot.
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  3. #83


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Probably won't do anything. The problem I see blocking any resolution for Linux is the FACT that on a new PC, there is a sticker that certifies as a WINDOWS 8 PC. Not a Linux PC. There isn't territory, domain, or monetary control that Linux has on that. This is just the same as not being able to install android on an ipad. apple controls the ipad and ios, and will never allow android to be installed on it, even though android is open sourced and whatnot.
    The EU may get them on a monopoly charge. But that is a long shot. The Linux people would have to go after the PC manufacturers so that they ship PCs without Windows 8 or even with Linux. There are some Ubuntu PCs, but they are far and apart. I would prefer if they shipped them with Mint.
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  4. #84


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    They might succed with that. It is anti competitive. It makes it very difficult to run an alternative product.

    You may recall MS lost the High Court case where they wanted to tie oem software to a particular pc.

    However, since efi is very insecure without secure boot, MS may argue they have to do it.

    The result might be that MS is forced to ensure oem's provide an easy and obvious way of turning it off , and /or they provide keys in a reasonable time at no cost .
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    I can see where this can lead to a much bigger question - unbundeling the PC hardware from the Operationg System. I am anyhow amazed that the EU (and the US authorities) sit still with a monopolist in their backyard that controls over 80% of the PC market. After all, that is vital to today's economy. You don't want that to be decided in the backrooms of Redmond.
    Last edited by whs; 26 Mar 2013 at 13:25.
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  6. #86


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    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin


    Interesting question.

    The way MS are going now does raise all kinds of issues. In an extreme scenario, they may get broken up.

    I see they are trying to second guess the regulators.

    Example:


    You will notice the bit where they exhort you to get a MS account when you are setting up installation.

    It is possible to say no - ( it is small and at the bottom ) - if you say no - they ask again.

    Very obvious what they want you to do.

    Why is there even an option to say No - if they don't want you to?

    Clearly, it is there to avoid an uproar and so the regulators don't tear them apart.

    It doesn't matter much - most users will just do what MS is exhorting them to do.
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  7. #87


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    Windows 8.1 Pro


    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    Probably won't do anything. The problem I see blocking any resolution for Linux is the FACT that on a new PC, there is a sticker that certifies as a WINDOWS 8 PC. Not a Linux PC. There isn't territory, domain, or monetary control that Linux has on that. This is just the same as not being able to install android on an ipad. apple controls the ipad and ios, and will never allow android to be installed on it, even though android is open sourced and whatnot.
    The EU may get them on a monopoly charge. But that is a long shot. The Linux people would have to go after the PC manufacturers so that they ship PCs without Windows 8 or even with Linux. There are some Ubuntu PCs, but they are far and apart. I would prefer if they shipped them with Mint.
    Maybe, as the EU has been going against Microsoft on some things recently. But exactly correct, the Linux people need to be going after the PC makers as they're just complying with Windows' new standards from Microsoft, Microsoft isn't demanding that ALL of them HAVE to do this or else. It's more like they need to do this to keep up with new standards. If those makers don't like that, they can make and sell android or Ubuntu PCs.
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  8. #88


    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    That's all good, Bill, I wasn't knocking your choices, or anyone else's, just putting mine forward.

    As for the cloud, I don't mind it for email etc, but I don't feel at all comfortable storing stuff there.

    Companies go broke or start data-mining, terrorists attack, equipment fails, hackers breach
    security, and of course, last but by no means least, there's always our oh-so-trustworthy (NOT!)
    governments and not-always-ethical 'law enforcement' agencies. I also have a very limited internet
    access plan, which precludes streaming, and isn't always useable (I don't regard 64kb/sec as
    'useable', sadly my ISP does).

    I've nothing to hide, but equally I've nothing I want to share without my explicit authorisation. That
    can only be made easier if I retain both physical and digital possession of the data/files.

    But, to each his/her own. Cheers!

    Wenda.
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  9. #89


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    Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), Linux Mint 17.1 MATE (64 bit)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    One thing the GIMP doesn't do (or used not to do) was handle LAYERS at all. I'm always using this feature in photoshop so I'd really miss this.
    That must have been a long time ago.
    Every version I've used handles layers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Coke Robot View Post

    Probably won't do anything. The problem I see blocking any resolution for Linux is the FACT that on a new PC, there is a sticker that certifies as a WINDOWS 8 PC. Not a Linux PC. There isn't territory, domain, or monetary control that Linux has on that. This is just the same as not being able to install android on an ipad. apple controls the ipad and ios, and will never allow android to be installed on it, even though android is open sourced and whatnot.
    The EU may get them on a monopoly charge. But that is a long shot. The Linux people would have to go after the PC manufacturers so that they ship PCs without Windows 8 or even with Linux. There are some Ubuntu PCs, but they are far and apart. I would prefer if they shipped them with Mint.
    Maybe, as the EU has been going against Microsoft on some things recently. But exactly correct, the Linux people need to be going after the PC makers as they're just complying with Windows' new standards from Microsoft, Microsoft isn't demanding that ALL of them HAVE to do this or else. It's more like they need to do this to keep up with new standards. If those makers don't like that, they can make and sell android or Ubuntu PCs.
    This story may clear up some issues about going after the PC makers.

    Spanish Linux user group files European antitrust complaint against Microsoft | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld

    Microsoft requires the UEFI Secure Boot to be installed by manufacturers on PCs that run Windows 8. While this protects PCs against malware and the installation of other unwanted software, it also makes it harder for users to install Linux-based operating systems on Windows 8 PCs. This practice is viewed as anticompetitive behavior by some critics, who have accused Microsoft of using the UEFI requirement to try to lock out other operating systems.
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